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Apparently the news is that our beloved DG is thinking the unthinkable and together with his arch henchman Grupperfuhrer Standingfort is looking at cuts of between 30 - 40% in TG15. My only hope is that it's going to mainly be Sqn Ldr nursing officers and MSO's!!:PDT_Xtremez_30:
 
And FS/WO RAF Medics:PDT_Xtremez_42:

Best I not get promoted anytime soon
 
Interesting and following hot on the heels of a reserected rumour (last bandied around 2002) that consideration is being given to the merger of MTD, Admin and Medic at SNCO level. Doncha love it?
 
Why don't we just go purple?

Things are so tri service at the moment, no one would notice. We could then just cull the top brass of two services and fill the Army Nursing gaps with RAF nurses.

Does anyone know if there is truth in the rumour that we have 5 Wg Cdr nursing lines and 15 Wg Cdrs?
 
ninjarabbi said:
Apparently the news is that our beloved DG is thinking the unthinkable and together with his arch henchman Grupperfuhrer Standingfort is looking at cuts of between 30 - 40% in TG15. My only hope is that it's going to mainly be Sqn Ldr nursing officers and MSO's!!:PDT_Xtremez_30:
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That's the rumour hitting us down south - in addition to a MDHU dissappearing off the face of the earth! With the fact that deployable secondary care will not be touched.
penfold93 said:
And FS/WO RAF Medics:PDT_Xtremez_42:

Best I not get promoted anytime soon
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Any chance of that including WO AHPs? :PDT_Xtremez_42:
 
Anonymurse said:
Why don't we just go purple?

Things are so tri service at the moment, no one would notice. We could then just cull the top brass of two services and fill the Army Nursing gaps with RAF nurses.

Does anyone know if there is truth in the rumour that we have 5 Wg Cdr nursing lines and 15 Wg Cdrs?
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There are definitely more than 5 Wg Cdr nurses around, however, I believe they are taking MSO Wg Cdr. What I can't understand is why we have to have OCNs that are Wg Cdrs? Why do they need to be the same rank as the CO? Too many of them in management I fear.

I have to agree with the purple route. It would save a hell of a lot of money if we were all one and then at least we would all know where we stood - green:PDT_Xtremez_09:
 
I thought I'd take a look at how many of our MSO brethren we actually had and the numbers are quite interesting and spectacularly top heavy (IMHO).

Gp Capt x 3
Wg Cdr x 12
Sqn Ldr x 32
Flt Lt x 27
FO x 21

I definitely feel a cull coming on!:PDT_Xtremez_25:
 
There are 4 Gp Captain Nurses lots of Wg Cdrs and Sqn Ldrs.

What I can see happening is they will just not sign on anymore Flt Lt's past 6 years and then make the situation even worse.

The problem is not just an RAF issue the Army have got loads of Majors, Lt Cols and Cols all hanging around and basically creating jobs and positions so they can get promoted as the RAF do for that matter. Trouble is we all know that it is these individuals that will be consulted on how to change things/who to get rid of etc and they are never going to shoot themselves in the foot.

Get rid of everyone who cannot deploy/permanently down graded that would be a good start plus all those that havent been in their speciality for years yet are still getting speciality pay.

Controversial yes but would be very effective in getting a medical services that are fit for purpose and can support current ops.

Oh and while we are at it get some of these Docs out of staff jobs and back into Med Centres so we can stop paying millions in Locum fees.:PDT_Xtremez_42:
 
Penfold; you read my mind. If we rid ourselves of all those who cannot deploy, regardless of rank we'd certainly have a much slimmer MS (metaphorically speaking, obviously!). There are now far too many senior officers wandering around and I can honestly say that if I step outside my medical centre and throw a stick in any direction I'll hit at least one major if not a Lt Col. They're like Zulu's; there's thousands of them!

Unfortunately you are of course right when you say it's exactly these people in charge of where the cuts will descend and they will protect themselves to the bitter end.
 
ninjarabbi said:
I definitely feel a cull coming on!:PDT_Xtremez_25:
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I hope not, it's hard enough getting an appointment as it is.....

Phone at 0731 and there are none left....And of course, you can't book one the day before......:PDT_Xtremez_14:
 
MG; I feel your pain. I find it hard to get an appointment some days and I'm meant to be in charge of the bloody place (yes, I wait my turn like everyone else!). Our main problem's these days are finding doctors to see patients and actually having enough slots to get people in. Some days it is ridiculous with personnel queuing up to try and get in. The worst time always seems to be around fitness testing season; then suddenly everyone wants to see a doctor with their twisted sock, groin etc.
 
penfold93 said:
There are 4 Gp Captain Nurses lots of Wg Cdrs and Sqn Ldrs.

What I can see happening is they will just not sign on anymore Flt Lt's past 6 years and then make the situation even worse.

The problem is not just an RAF issue the Army have got loads of Majors, Lt Cols and Cols all hanging around and basically creating jobs and positions so they can get promoted as the RAF do for that matter. Trouble is we all know that it is these individuals that will be consulted on how to change things/who to get rid of etc and they are never going to shoot themselves in the foot.

Get rid of everyone who cannot deploy/permanently down graded that would be a good start plus all those that havent been in their speciality for years yet are still getting speciality pay.

Controversial yes but would be very effective in getting a medical services that are fit for purpose and can support current ops.

Oh and while we are at it get some of these Docs out of staff jobs and back into Med Centres so we can stop paying millions in Locum fees.:PDT_Xtremez_42:
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Why can't others in your trade think like this!

BTW, good to see you back!
 
I completely agree with the 'dead wood' thing, Army Navy or RAF if you are not fit, non deployable or just sat at a desk not actually doing anything clinical and just wasting fcuking oxygen then you should get axed, regardless of rank. Lets not forget some of the useless 'others' who do sweet fcuk all as well (and there are a few) these should be equally and mercilessly culled, it's not just the Officers.
We can't be emotional about this, if you are not doing your job be you green, dark blue or light blue, Private, SAC, JNCO, SNCO, WO or Commissioned then you will be getting canned, it's as simple as that.
 
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The SDSR has a couple of interesting things to say about medical services -

2.B.9 We must maintain and further develop the medical support provided by the Defence Medical Services and the NHS, and the social care, to ensure the health of our people and treat those who are ill or injured. It is vital that this includes properly planned and supported transition from military to civilian life. The provision of healthcare to Service personnel will be enhanced by an extra £20 million per year. This will be used to pay for additional medical staff and to deliver better mental healthcare facilities.

2.B.11 ... a dedicated 24 hour support line for veterans and 30 additional mental health nurses in Mental Health Trusts to ensure that the right support is provided to veterans. We believe these measures and his other recommendations will make a significant contribution to honouring the Armed Forces Covenant by providing additional support to both serving personnel and veterans with mental health issues.
 
I read that and it is indeed a correct quote. Interestingly it refers to a purple model rather than a specific single service model, pointing towards defence medical service jointery? Maybe this is an indicator for the next 5 year planned SDSR? Who knows?
A joint medical service makes sense to me personally so long as there is a firm hand and a keen eye kept on the arrogant Army fcuk wits who would take the lead and inevitably completely fcuk it up with their bizzare spur wearing, cross dressing, Inbred, arrogant ways. (See how i'm restrained in my views of our Army 'brothers') There was a whole para you missed out by the way:

2.B.9 We must maintain and further develop the medical support provided by the Defence Medical Services and the NHS, and the social care, to ensure the health of our people and treat those who are ill or injured. It is vital that this includes properly planned and supported transition from military to civilian life. The provision of healthcare to Service personnel will be enhanced by an extra £20 million per year. This will be used to pay for additional medical staff and to deliver better mental healthcare facilities.

2.B.10 The Defence Medical Services play a vital role in sustaining the health of our people and their fitness. The confidence instilled by the high standards of medical care delivered on operations is a key component of morale. We must build on the experience and knowledge we have gained at every stage of the patient’s journey and in every aspect of the care that must be delivered. At a time of radical reform of the Health Service, we will work very closely with our colleagues in the NHS who lead the delivery of secondary care for personnel in the UK.

2.B.11 We also welcome Dr Andrew Murrison’s report, ‘Fighting Fit: a Mental Health Plan for Service Personnel and Veterans’, and strongly endorse its key themes and recommendations. We will be taking forward work on Dr Murrison’s proposals and are putting into place two of his key recommendations immediately: a dedicated 24 hour support line for veterans and 30 additional mental health nurses in Mental Health Trusts to ensure that the right support is provided to veterans. We believe these measures and his other recommendations will make a significant contribution to honouring the Armed Forces Covenant by providing additional support to both serving personnel and veterans with mental health issues.

SDSR Oct 19 2010
 
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Anonymurse said:
Why don't we just go purple?

Things are so tri service at the moment, no one would notice. We could then just cull the top brass of two services and fill the Army Nursing gaps with RAF nurses.

Does anyone know if there is truth in the rumour that we have 5 Wg Cdr nursing lines and 15 Wg Cdrs?
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It seems it's Tri-service until you try to get posted to a different secondary care unit!
 
SDSR said:
a dedicated 24 hour support line for veterans and 30 additional mental health nurses in Mental Health Trusts to ensure that the right support is provided to veterans. We believe these measures and his other recommendations will make a significant contribution to honouring the Armed Forces Covenant by providing additional support to both serving personnel and veterans with mental health issues.
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Maybe if they supported us in our delivery of MH care to serving personnel, there'd be less people leaving with MH problems for them to scurry around providing extra services for??

Just a thought...
 
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