Acting Paid/Unpaid??

[LlanClan]

Would anyone be kind enough to explain the rules concerning an individual (SAC) who is occupying a Cpl post (long term, 3 years), therefore A/Cpl and PSF have turned round and said that it will be Unpaid!? Is this correct? It's just that having read AP 3376 Vol 1 Pt 1 Ch 7 i seem to be under the impression that it should be Paid!??

 

[OK..Igiveup]

subbie pay?

subbie pay?

May be acting unpaid,
but with substitution pay if you doing the CPL job and the SAC job.
Means it doesnt count towards seniortity etc....

 

[snowball1]

3 years!! I'm amazed your bosses havn't changed it to a SAC slot

 

[True Blue Jack]

Would anyone be kind enough to explain the rules concerning an individual (SAC) who is occupying a Cpl post (long term, 3 years), therefore A/Cpl and PSF have turned round and said that it will be Unpaid!? Is this correct? It's just that having read AP 3376 Vol 1 Pt 1 Ch 7 i seem to be under the impression that it should be Paid!??

It is unusual (but not unheard of) for someone to be expected to fill a post of a higher rank for such a long period. The 2 options are:

Local acting rank (unpaid) with subsitution pay. Does not count towards seniority or pension; will not receive an annual increment for the pay for the higher rank; payment beyond 6 months must be approved by JPAC PACC. But it is far easier to get approval for this than it is for . . .

Special Paid Acting Rank (SPAR). SPAR does count towards seniority and pension; annual increments are paid; it will continue to be paid until actively stopped. BUT approval for SPAR is difficult to obtain. The easy part is proving that the post requires the higher rank for supervisory and/or management purposes. A lot more then goes on behind the scenes, e.g., the career manager has to explain why he is not going to post in a Cpl for 3 years and so on.

 

[Soon To Leave]

I was a J/T working in a Cpl slot for 2 years and didn't get a single penny for that either.

 

[Tashy_Man]

The 2 options are:

I would have thought there was a third option.....If no substitution pay is forthcoming and they say you have to do it unpaid.....refuse the acting rank.....no point bending over backwardsto help them out if your not getting paid for it....tell them to sort out the post to it's correct rank (i.e. SAC) or post you to a more suitable position....

Just my thoughts....sorry for intruding into shiney world....

Crack on............DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[Boarderlyne]

I would have thought there was a third option.....If no substitution pay is forthcoming and they say you have to do it unpaid.....refuse the acting rank.....no point bending over backwardsto help them out if your not getting paid for it....tell them to sort out the post to it's correct rank (i.e. SAC) or post you to a more suitable position....

Just my thoughts....sorry for intruding into shiney world....

Crack on............DT_Xtremez_09:

Problem with that is that you have 6000 reasons for doing it and it can impinge on the old loyalty box score that those who actively seek promotion then refuse it when offered either short-term or long-term acting.

OK that should now be 4 reasons S, J, A and R

 

[MontyPlumbs]

I was going to pose the same question Tashy, but being a Smalley I thought I might get a kicking!

Surely you can just refuse to do a job that you're not the correct rank for?

 

[Tashy_Man]

Problem with that is that you have 6000 reasons for doing it and it can impinge on the old loyalty box score that those who actively seek promotion then refuse it when offered either short-term or long-term acting.

OK that should now be 4 reasons S, J, A and R

To me promotion means greater responsibility and recognition of that with increased pay. One without the other is the RAF telling you, you are now an acting cpl (or whatever rank) but we ain't gonna pay you cause your not worth it. Acting rank should automatically come with acting pay in my opinion. Anything else is a cop out (and the easy option for the RAF).

Crack on..............DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[LlanClan]

The post was previously filled by a Cpl, however he was posted in Mar 07, what with it being a (screened, 3 years) established Cpl post they trawled it, however 4 months down the line there had been no volunteers, hence the phone call from my drafter asking if i'd be interested? He did state that i would be getting the Acting Rank, and from his tone i assumed it would be paid!! Still would've taken the post either way, but i reckon it's worth pushing it!

 

[Fearless Leader]

When I went to the ACOS Manning Roadshow I'm sure they said that not paying people for acting rank was going to be discouraged. It was felt to be wrong as in 'PMA' eyes if you wear the rank you should get the money.

 

[True Blue Jack]

The post was previously filled by a Cpl, however he was posted in Mar 07, what with it being a (screened, 3 years) established Cpl post they trawled it, however 4 months down the line there had been no volunteers, hence the phone call from my drafter asking if i'd be interested? He did state that i would be getting the Acting Rank, and from his tone i assumed it would be paid!! Still would've taken the post either way, but i reckon it's worth pushing it!

Speaking objectively my first question is why didn't the drafter stiff someone from the longest in location list if he had no volunteers. His answer to that question may (or may not) prevent you getting authority for SPAR. However, notwithstanding the SPAR option, since you are fulfilling all the duties of a post established in a higher rank then you will be entitled to substitution pay, locally approved for the first 6 months and extended as appropriate by JPAC PACC.

In the ideal world there would be no-one 'acting up', you are effectively blocking promotion for one unlucky SAC for 3 years.

 

[LlanClan]

Speaking objectively my first question is why didn't the drafter stiff someone from the longest in location list if he had no volunteers. His answer to that question may (or may not) prevent you getting authority for SPAR. However, notwithstanding the SPAR option, since you are fulfilling all the duties of a post established in a higher rank then you will be entitled to substitution pay, locally approved for the first 6 months and extended as appropriate by JPAC PACC.

In the ideal world there would be no-one 'acting up', you are effectively blocking promotion for one unlucky SAC for 3 years.

Or as planned i should get picked up well within the 3 year point!! Here's hoping eh!! Apart from that, can't see many individuals applying for the post. And it's not exactly a post you can stiff someone for!!

 

[docbombhead]

I was asked a few times when a J/T to go on dets acting unpaid told the sqn point blank no pay no acting ! IF they wanted me to do the job pay me to do it.

 

[skevans]

I'm with Tashy on this one. If the RAF wants it's pound of flesh then the RAF should pay the going rate. I also agree that the RAF is too readily throwing acting ranks out to the masses and should be promoting people properly.

But in your predicament I would push for SPAR. Or say no.

 

[wobbly]

Totally agree. We have SAC's being stiffed with acting rank all the time on my Sqn to go on det. Then they come back and get stiffed once again after their month on guard for a stint as an SAC. They are getting treated like crap and the threat (Blackmail more like) of 6000's isn't working anymore. The lads have had their fill of some people getting paid and others not and are now starting to refuse the acting rank and blow the consequences.

If your in the rank then you should be paid for it, full stop. If they want to treat our service as RAF PLC then start paying like people the same way.

Grrrrrrrr, its gets me mad!!!