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Hi,

Just a quick question. One of the lads I know is dating an officer and he has been getting quite a bit of grief. He has asked if I can do some digging...I thought that it was allowed nowadays. But, a few SNCOs and higher up the food chain think its not on.....

What is the official policy (if there is one)..... They work on the same Sqn but, she is not directly in charge of him. He is a techie she is a Nav.

Personally, I dont see a problem with it but am assured quite a few do......

Olliepop. :PDT_Xtremez_35:
 
NO problem in my eyes ..... as long as he staples her rank slides to his headboard....... lol ps evenin OP!!!!!
 
olliepop said:
Hi,

Just a quick question. One of the lads I know is dating an officer and he has been getting quite a bit of grief. He has asked if I can do some digging...I thought that it was allowed nowadays. But, a few SNCOs and higher up the food chain think its not on.....

What is the official policy (if there is one)..... They work on the same Sqn but, she is not directly in charge of him. He is a techie she is a Nav.

Personally, I dont see a problem with it but am assured quite a few do......

Olliepop. :PDT_Xtremez_35:
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As long as she is outside his chain of command (i.e. Reporting chain), and the relationship has no effect on the operations of the unit (i.e. they do not act like they are in a relationship while on duty), there is nothing in the regs to stop it. I think AP1 has the details.
 
MAINJAFAD said:
As long as she is outside his chain of command (i.e. Reporting chain), and the relationship has no effect on the operations of the unit (i.e. they do not act like they are in a relationship while on duty), there is nothing in the regs to stop it. I think AP1 has the details.
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Thanks, I thought as much. Will check out the AP later at work and let him know. :PDT_Xtremez_30:
 
2 friends of mine, a Flt lt and a Cpl are married and it's no problem; they are different trades and are at different units though. I remember the time when a SAC got it on with a Cpl at Brize and the Cpl was hauled in and given a huge bollocking by the WO. My how times have changed, chilled out and for the better I say.
 
I've come across many service couples that cross the Comissioned/non-comissioned divide, and its not an issue as long as they are never within the same section - but that is usually carefully handled by the respective Career Managers.
 
MAINJAFAD said:
As long as she is outside his chain of command (i.e. Reporting chain), and the relationship has no effect on the operations of the unit (i.e. they do not act like they are in a relationship while on duty), there is nothing in the regs to stop it. I think AP1 has the details.
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As has been said aslong as they are not in the same reporting chain no problem.
 
Olliepop,

I can tell you definately that there is absolutely no rules against this. He is not in her chain of command so there is no issue.

I know this for a fact as I am a Cpl married to an Officer. I've no doubt he will face grief but there is nothing they can do. When I got into this situation as there was nothing official they could do certain people wrote me down in my report. However, as I'd always had good reports and there was no evidence to back the drop in report i fought it and won!!!

The best thing your mate can do is keep his head down, work hard and give them no reason to mark him down in his report because you can bet they will look for any excuse. Also tell him to make sure he is professional in work, infact I would say EXTRA professional. I work about 10 feet away from my wife but always make sure I call her Ma'am!!!

If your mate has anymore questions I'm happy to help.

Irishriddler
 
The Code of Social Conduct is absolute here - provided there is no chain of command issue then it should be fine.

However, you did mention the danger phrase of them being on the same Flying Sqn. To be blunt this will cause issues and a divide across the Sqn - Sqn cohesion is the thing here. Whilst we can all pontificate that it shouldn't matter, I think we can all see that it will.

Scenario - small flying det which Nav Commands - Techie boyfriend is also sent on the same Det - therefore a chain of command issue arises - the problem for the Sqn is now that they have to deconflict - this does have an operational impact - its another way of looking at things and probably where the Techie's SNCOs and higher are coming from.
 
irishriddler said:
Olliepop,

I can tell you definately that there is absolutely no rules against this. He is not in her chain of command so there is no issue.

I know this for a fact as I am a Cpl married to an Officer. I've no doubt he will face grief but there is nothing they can do. When I got into this situation as there was nothing official they could do certain people wrote me down in my report. However, as I'd always had good reports and there was no evidence to back the drop in report i fought it and won!!!

The best thing your mate can do is keep his head down, work hard and give them no reason to mark him down in his report because you can bet they will look for any excuse. Also tell him to make sure he is professional in work, infact I would say EXTRA professional. I work about 10 feet away from my wife but always make sure I call her Ma'am!!!

If your mate has anymore questions I'm happy to help.

Irishriddler
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Hmm....I wonder who you could be......lol
The name pretty much gives it away! :PDT_Xtremez_42:
 
irishriddler said:
Olliepop,

I can tell you definately that there is absolutely no rules against this. He is not in her chain of command so there is no issue.

I know this for a fact as I am a Cpl married to an Officer. I've no doubt he will face grief but there is nothing they can do. When I got into this situation as there was nothing official they could do certain people wrote me down in my report. However, as I'd always had good reports and there was no evidence to back the drop in report i fought it and won!!!

The best thing your mate can do is keep his head down, work hard and give them no reason to mark him down in his report because you can bet they will look for any excuse. Also tell him to make sure he is professional in work, infact I would say EXTRA professional. I work about 10 feet away from my wife but always make sure I call her Ma'am!!!

If your mate has anymore questions I'm happy to help.

Irishriddler
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Thanks.... I spoke to him earlier and he seems a bit less stressed about it! To be honest I dont see why people get on their high horse about it. As long as it doesn't affect anybody else or, there is no direct command link ie an sac and his/her JEngO whats the problem??

A quick question from me though, are you allowed to attend all the mess functions?

Olliepop.
 
olliepop said:
A quick question from me though, are you allowed to attend all the mess functions?
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From memory:

With the PRIOR approval of the CMC (Or, clearly, in this case the PMC), a mess member may invite anyone to a mess function. They guarantee the conduct etc of the invitee. I believe the invitee should be in civilian clothing too, but obviously of the correct standard...(Monkey suit, lounge suit etc, as appropriate.)

Practically speaking I have seen it a few times in the Sgts Mess, but this has usually been an established couple, one of whom is promoted quicker than the other, attending as a spouse, not as a, for example, Cpl...
 
If the Officer get a married quarter, the OR has to live in a shed at the bottom of the garden.
 
POB said:
From memory:

With the PRIOR approval of the CMC (Or, clearly, in this case the PMC), a mess member may invite anyone to a mess function. They guarantee the conduct etc of the invitee. I believe the invitee should be in civilian clothing too, but obviously of the correct standard...(Monkey suit, lounge suit etc, as appropriate.)

Practically speaking I have seen it a few times in the Sgts Mess, but this has usually been an established couple, one of whom is promoted quicker than the other, attending as a spouse, not as a, for example, Cpl...
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I havent heard of anyone asking to bring their unmarried partner, but for spouses, it is usually one letter to the CMC/PMC at the start of your tour and you are ok for the remainder. Non-entitled spouses would never attend in uniform or even mess kit.
 
No rules against fcuking your cousin either but you know it just isn't right and it usually ends in tears.

This is wrong on so many levels,

OR + Zob
Burd is a zob
burd is aircrew
burd is a map reading aircrew

Tell him to wake up and find a nice little lady who knows her place.
 
olliepop said:
...They work on the same Sqn...Personally, I dont see a problem with it but am assured quite a few do...
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So do I. But it's her that should be getting the grief, not him. She is an officer and is supposed to provide leadership and this for me constitutes undue familiarity

However, if she were to be moved to another Sqn or even an adjacent Stn (and I'll bet the chain of command are working on this) then there would be no problem whatsoever.
 
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