APMP/ Prince2 course at Aldershot

[sumps]

Has any one done the APMP/ Prince2 course at Aldershot? If so how much pr reading is there to do?

I understand that there is a lot and that you don’t get your notes until you pay.

(This is where my dilemma starts – Course costs £2.6K, however ELCs go up in Apr to 2K (and thats what I need to wait for). Then there is the usual faf of getting agreement of payment to the provider, which I estimate mid may, before receiving anything.)

So my question is has any one got any notes (electronic / or other wise) that I can get myself into?

(I have got a copy of the APMP BOK 5th edition – but I can already see holes in my knowledge against the amount of information held in the BOK)

Post of PM if you can help

 

[sumps]

Right then done the course DT_Xtremez_35: ....my old boots! its intensive the first two weeks are the APMP with a three hour exam at the end of it. Then you spend the next week doing Prince 2 both Foundation (1Hr) and Practitioner (3Hr)...it costs £3200(ish) course books and exams included...heres hopping i passed. ::/:

 

[3wheeledtechie]

Hate to mention it old chap but mine took a week and cost £1K with Quanta training right in the education centre at sunny old Marham:0

 

[8:15fromOdium]

Can't you do PRINCE2 on the DLP now?

 

[Disillusioned]

don't worry sumps if I can pass with the princ2 with zero pre-reading then anyone can do it.

 

[sumps]

Er..hold on I think you maybe getting confused. What I have done is two project management courses.

1. APMP (Association of Project Manager Professional)
2. Prince2

From the APM web site here including syllabus.

“APMP is aimed at project managers and aspiring project managers who wish to demonstrate their knowledge of project management at a foundation level. APMP covers 37 knowledge areas from the APM Body of Knowledge. Knowledge of these areas is considered fundamental to the professional management of projects”

This was followed by prince 2 as a one week course. The course was provided through the same training group (Here).. I found that the APMP was a fantastic course that gave me the insight to all the nuances of project management which in turn aided the Prince2.

To analogize it. If you consider the APMP to be a very large tool box with a variety of tools in it the APMP is the explanation how these tools work and fit together. Prince 2 is just one socket.

The (costs at present): £2632 for both courses + £712 for Books and exams

Can't you do PRINCE2 on the DLP now?

You can do the Prince 2 Foundation course and a simulation of the exam BUT it will not give you an official certificate as it has to be done under exam conditions within an approved centre and the Foundation is closed book as opposed to the practitioner which is now a 3 hour, open book, vote-for-jo type (and I use that phrase lightly)

However you can also do the APM-Introductory Certificate which was again a fantastic insight to the course. As with the Prince2 the exam is simulated so you dint get an accredited certificate after completing the course

don't worry sumps if I can pass with the princ2 with zero pre-reading then anyone can do it.

Thanks for helping with the pain!!! DT_Xtremez_15: After two weeks of APMP when it came to the Prince2, my head was all over the place – and there were some subtle differences particularly with the priorities of Issues, Risks, configuration and change management.

If I had to express a preference I would go with APMP as I felt it was broader based. It is NOT a methodology unlike Prince2. It does give you the building blocks to produce your own from of project management approach i.e. is less ridged as opposed to Prince2. The other reason is the companies I have applied to for jobs seem it express a preference for the APMP (due to flexibility) and you have to buy into Prince2 if you want to run it officially.

As for the quality of training Very Very Good.

Hope this helps anyone thinking of doing it

 

[chiefy]

Er..hold on I think you maybe getting confused. What I have done is two project management courses.

1. APMP (Association of Project Manager Professional)
2. Prince2

From the APM web site here including syllabus.

“APMP is aimed at project managers and aspiring project managers who wish to demonstrate their knowledge of project management at a foundation level. APMP covers 37 knowledge areas from the APM Body of Knowledge. Knowledge of these areas is considered fundamental to the professional management of projects”

This was followed by prince 2 as a one week course. The course was provided through the same training group (Here).. I found that the APMP was a fantastic course that gave me the insight to all the nuances of project management which in turn aided the Prince2.

To analogize it. If you consider the APMP to be a very large tool box with a variety of tools in it the APMP is the explanation how these tools work and fit together. Prince 2 is just one socket.

The (costs at present): £2632 for both courses + £712 for Books and exams



You can do the Prince 2 Foundation course and a simulation of the exam BUT it will not give you an official certificate as it has to be done under exam conditions within an approved centre and the Foundation is closed book as opposed to the practitioner which is now a 3 hour, open book, vote-for-jo type (and I use that phrase lightly)

However you can also do the APM-Introductory Certificate which was again a fantastic insight to the course. As with the Prince2 the exam is simulated so you dint get an accredited certificate after completing the course



Thanks for helping with the pain!!! DT_Xtremez_15: After two weeks of APMP when it came to the Prince2, my head was all over the place – and there were some subtle differences particularly with the priorities of Issues, Risks, configuration and change management.

If I had to express a preference I would go with APMP as I felt it was broader based. It is NOT a methodology unlike Prince2. It does give you the building blocks to produce your own from of project management approach i.e. is less ridged as opposed to Prince2. The other reason is the companies I have applied to for jobs seem it express a preference for the APMP (due to flexibility) and you have to buy into Prince2 if you want to run it officially.

As for the quality of training Very Very Good.

Hope this helps anyone thinking of doing it

You can do the Prince 2 Foundation via DLP, do the course on line, simulated exam then book in to attend the exam at an accredited centre, there are about 4 centres where you can do the exam, one of which is at RAF Wyton I believe, all free. Prince 2 practitioner is a different matter and can prove expensive, not worth it! If you get a job as a PM your company will pay to put you through it.

APMP is well worth it for the reasons you have expressed, did you do the Initial Certificate as well as the APMP? I know of one training provider who can deliver APMP including a revison/ coaching day and exam fees for half of what you paid......................... seriously, although that wouldn't include food and accomodation. A very very credible training provider incidentally and nothing to do with me, well not much.

 

[Bitburger]

Another very good Project Management course is this one

Diploma in Engineering Management
with Project Management

http://www.gre.ac.uk/schools/engineering/programmes_courses/drp

Bitburger
EX FS now Project Manager with Network Rail

 

[chiefy]

Another very good Project Management course is this one

Diploma in Engineering Management
with Project Management

http://www.gre.ac.uk/schools/engineering/programmes_courses/drp

Bitburger
EX FS now Project Manager with Network Rail

Is there any professional accreditation/ recognition attached to the Diploma ie is it recognised by APM or IPMA as at level4? or is it more of a Project Management course aimed at prospective Project Engineers?

 

[metimmee]

Dont forget the Information Systems Project Management course that is run at Cranfield, 3 weeks and free-gratis to MoD employees. Recognised by ISEB as a practitioner level PM course. This will also give you 2 exemptions toward the level 5 APM Project Manager Diploma. See here.

 

[Bitburger]

Is there any professional accreditation/ recognition attached to the Diploma ie is it recognised by APM or IPMA as at level4? or is it more of a Project Management course aimed at prospective Project Engineers?

This specialist programme has a strong
commercial orientation and academic
rigour. The programme provides a wellrounded
approach to business and
allows students to specialise in project
management, preparing them for a
career in this field. It helps students
develop their key business skills in
decision making, project management
and leadership, much sought after by
employers. The management content
develops personal and interpersonal
skills, management techniques and
business applications. Employers value
the transferable skills that this unique​

programme provides.

The University of Greenwich Diploma
has a credit accumulation of transfer
(CATS) rating of 60 Level 1 points (it is
generally accepted that this is equivalent
to NVQ Level 4). This adds extra vital
layer of professional credibility to further
your career ambitions.
If you complete the diploma
successfully, you may be able to use the
credits towards a degree award or other
programme, either within the University
of Greenwich or at other universities​

through the APEL system.

 

[chiefy]

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(CATS) rating of 60 Level 1 points (it is
generally accepted that this is equivalent
to NVQ Level 4). This adds extra vital
layer of professional credibility to further
your career ambitions.
If you complete the diploma
successfully, you may be able to use the
credits towards a degree award or other
programme, either within the University
of Greenwich or at other universities[/LEFT]
through the APEL system.
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Apologies I should have expanded, I've read the pdf sheet. Have you had the NVQ level 4 equivalence accredited by APM or IPMA, do they recognise it? There's good reason to question this, an NVQ is not an academic course by a long shot, you would need to demonstrate competency to get the Level 4 NVQ and competency is the most important factor in this business as you know. I think what they mean to say is: it is equivalent to a qualification at level 4 of the NQF, which is very different. NVQ level 4 automatically qualifies for full membership of APM - which is a very credible place to be at the start of a PM career.

I'm not suggesting anything about the course, courses are about what you get from them and I assume you got a lot from it, if the Dip is recognised at NVQ level 4 by APM/ IPMA that would make this one of the most worthwhile courses any prospective PM could do really, probably more worthwhile than APMP.

 

[ajstar]

Has any one done the APMP/ Prince2 course at Aldershot? If so how much pr reading is there to do?

I understand that there is a lot and that you don’t get your notes until you pay.

(This is where my dilemma starts – Course costs £2.6K, however ELCs go up in Apr to 2K (and thats what I need to wait for). Then there is the usual faf of getting agreement of payment to the provider, which I estimate mid may, before receiving anything.)

So my question is has any one got any notes (electronic / or other wise) that I can get myself into?

(I have got a copy of the APMP BOK 5th edition – but I can already see holes in my knowledge against the amount of information held in the BOK)

Post of PM if you can help

Hi,

I recently successfully got Prince2 certified, but not at Aldershot, with Firebrand Training. My steps were:-

• Thoroughly read and understood Managing Successful Projects with PRINCE2 Manual, ISBN: 9780113310593

• Paid about £2,500, well worth it though.

• Took the free PMI preparation practise exam, Prince2 exam

• Took the actual training after practise assessment

 

[vim_fuego]

Hi,

I recently successfully got Prince2 certified, but not at Aldershot, with Firebrand Training. My steps were:-

• Thoroughly read and understood Managing Successful Projects with PRINCE2 Manual, ISBN: 9780113310593

• Paid about £2,500, well worth it though.

• Took the free PMI preparation practise exam, Prince2 exam

• Took the actual training after practise assessment

I did Principles of Project Mangement, Prince2 and APMP for £2400 with Quanta.