Are we streaming via 4001 and 4002 courses?

[Mug?]

All this TG3 and 11 moan moan is bullsh!t

Do you really think that the board and pre board team really give a fu*k what you are?

Your assesed on your performance and potential and then they compare you to everyone else, put you in order and thats it!

Absolutley fu*k all to do with your previous trade.

Get over it!

Rant over.

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But this is the big gripe - There are jobs still purely for the techie stream. Why? What is so special about these posts that require someone special?
Surely if someone is skilled and talented enough to become a SGT within 9 years, they can understand a bit of Electronics, systems, electrical safety, QA, Radar theory, etc etc

The board don't take into account the working regime. If you are running a helpdesk or a primarily admin job with a few sacs on days, it allows all sorts of downtime to do other stuff, whether thats write up some more TOR's or organise a FD trip. All which tick the boxes oin the preboard. If you are out on the ground fixing faults,working extended or out of hours, as CPLs are required to do now we are JT less, or on intensive courses for OOA or as part of your job there is a lot more disruption than sitting looking pretty at a desk making your RO's brews.

We all know we seem to grade our people honestly and that ex 11 all seem to have books and spend hours making scotes sound like angels. They take pride in trying to get people picked up, whereas I have come accross lots that seem to worry about the future competition?

We don't think people are really ready after a year to deserve a high recomendation yet I have seen many from the other side who stay on highs over the promotion period.


When you have excellent potential SGTs from the TG3 stream having to wait over 8 years in rank and 20 years in the RAF, but see ex 11 getting it after 3 in rank and 9 in total it should be looked at.DT_Xtremez_09:
Or we should be allowed to bear a grudge and whinge and moan about it withhout being told we are making it all up???DT_Xtremez_19:

 

[Mug?]

You're winding me up

You're winding me up

What a croc of sh1t!

They will never divide again, what are you going to do with the Abinitios? divvy them up?

The only reason it seems that they have never merged is people like you persisting in keeping the divide alive.

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Are You Stupid? Really are you? Have you any idea? I know I should'nt even comment but you have really got me fired up!!!!! Cos you sound like a $£$£"

The good "clever?" Ab initios do a "techie" course. Then they will be "techie" qualified for the "techie" slots at home and "techie" slots abroad and "techie" OOA posts.

I think that will mean there are two streams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know they were to try to push an IM stream, but admit I don't know the latest so I will keep my comments on that quietOff TopicOff TopicOff Topic.

 

[AlienFB]

Cos you sound like a $£$£"

No need for that.

Just trying to say that I am fed up of the TG3/TG11 moaning.

 

[4ever3]

What a croc of sh1t!

They will never divide again, what are you going to do with the Abinitios? divvy them up?

The only reason it seems that they have never merged is people like you persisting in keeping the divide alive.

what do you think 4001 and 4002 courses at cosford will do?. if an Abinitio shows Tech potential then its of to 4001 so that he/she can do legacy kit posts and courses, otherwise its off to 4002 training where you he/she will learn to fly helpdesk and make their 1st RO a brew in that special way that only ex11 knows how.cup of corrrfeee

 

[4ever3]

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Are You Stupid? Really are you? Have you any idea? I know I should'nt even comment but you have really got me fired up!!!!! Cos you sound like a $£$£"

The good "clever?" Ab initios do a "techie" course. Then they will be "techie" qualified for the "techie" slots at home and "techie" slots abroad and "techie" OOA posts.

I think that will mean there are two streams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know they were to try to push an IM stream, but admit I don't know the latest so I will keep my comments on that quietOff TopicOff TopicOff Topic.

Sorry for duplicating MUG, I was typing the same thing as you at the same time, also with steam coming out of my ears

 

[AlienFB]

what do you think 4001 and 4002 courses at cosford will do?. if an Abinitio shows Tech potential then its of to 4001 so that he/she can do legacy kit posts and courses, otherwise its off to 4002 training where you he/she will learn to fly helpdesk and make their 1st RO a brew in that special way that only ex11 knows how.cup of corrrfeee

Yes I know about the 4001 and future 4002 courses, I just meant the Abinitios right now!

And as for the rest of your post again another one trying to be funny.

 

[miniboo]

There are 4002 courses already running at Cosford.

 

[Studley dangerfcuk]

There are 4002 courses already running at Cosford.

I think not. There are three 4001 courses there but no 4002. stfustfu

Studley

 

[4ever3]

I think not. There are three 4001 courses there but no 4002. stfustfu

Studley

If i recall correctly from the Trade Sponsors recent visit 4002 is due to start may/june with the first students already informed via JPA of course dates

 

[Assimilation_humiliation]

what do you think 4001 and 4002 courses at cosford will do?. if an Abinitio shows Tech potential then its of to 4001 so that he/she can do legacy kit posts and courses, otherwise its off to 4002 training where you he/she will learn to fly helpdesk and make their 1st RO a brew in that special way that only ex11 knows how.cup of corrrfeee

This is a massive debate in itself. Some would argue that we should be able to do ALL the "jobs" in our trade. This means that given time they will all do 4001 and 4002 and will gain experience throughout all disciplines. Realistically though, how long would this take? 15-20 years is my guess for an individual to just get a good taster in each area with the current maximum 5 yrs in post. So after 20 years of learning and being promoted you could have a Sgt/FS in charge of an area, which he last worked in 15 years ago and is now completely out of his depth due to avances in technology. Streaming is defo the way forward imo to keep everyone current and as long as I don't get put in an IT slot then I will be very happy (and no-one else will have to put up with my IT shortcomings).

 

[4ever3]

This is a massive debate in itself. Some would argue that we should be able to do ALL the "jobs" in our trade. This means that given time they will all do 4001 and 4002 and will gain experience throughout all disciplines. Realistically though, how long would this take? 15-20 years is my guess for an individual to just get a good taster in each area with the current maximum 5 yrs in post. So after 20 years of learning and being promoted you could have a Sgt/FS in charge of an area, which he last worked in 15 years ago and is now completely out of his depth due to avances in technology. Streaming is defo the way forward imo to keep everyone current and as long as I don't get put in an IT slot then I will be very happy (and no-one else will have to put up with my IT shortcomings).

Yes it is a massive debate and i think we have taken this threadOff Topic
seeing as we started off talking about the prom board for 2011.
Maybe the last few threads about 4001/2 should be restarted in their own topic.

Lets get back to the serious topic of how i'm not getting promoted

 

[Saint Domingo]

No need for that.

Just trying to say that I am fed up of the TG3/TG11 moaning.

I agree with you mate, but there is no point in saying it, as you just get the same old TG3 personalities on here shooting you down.

 

[rugby then work]

Seeing that I went to the effort in moving these posts into a new thread so that the promotions thread could get back on subject, I'll give my thoughts on this one.....

4001 and the soon to be 4002 courses are not there to stream techies and Information Managers they are simply another pre-employment course. In the future you could well find individuals that will have completed both courses if for instance they have been employed in an iHub and then posted to a GRMS.

4001 courses are not handed out on the basis of an individuals aptitude but rather on the post they are filling and the equipment courses they are required to complete.

We need to get past the them and us mentality and get on with doing the job.

 

[endgame]

Seeing that I went to the effort in moving these posts into a new thread so that the promotions thread could get back on subject, I'll give my thoughts on this one.....

4001 and the soon to be 4002 courses are not there to stream techies and Information Managers they are simply another pre-employment course. In the future you could well find individuals that will have completed both courses if for instance they have been employed in an iHub and then posted to a GRMS.

4001 courses are not handed out on the basis of an individuals aptitude but rather on the post they are filling and the equipment courses they are required to complete.

We need to get past the them and us mentality and get on with doing the job.

PRAISE .... THE ... LORD..... Sanity Returns and with it some excellent information and good advice ... well done!

 

[TG3 TILL I DIE!!!!]

PRAISE .... THE ... LORD..... Sanity Returns and with it some excellent information and good advice ... well done!

Just out of interest and I'm not trying to continue the "them and us" debate, but is your self and RTW ex-Tg11? Reason for asking is, if your not ab-initios do you ever in reality see yourselves working on GRMS? Thing is there is alot of people moved out of their original trade who are now suffering in the great game of promotion. Do you think thats fair on them?

 

[ITgeek]

Get rid of the Trade completely and get civvies in !

 

[mad_collie]

Just out of interest and I'm not trying to continue the "them and us" debate, but is your self and RTW ex-Tg11? Reason for asking is, if your not ab-initios do you ever in reality see yourselves working on GRMS? Thing is there is alot of people moved out of their original trade who are now suffering in the great game of promotion. Do you think thats fair on them?

I'm sure RTW will chuckle at the thought of being ex-TG11. I'm pretty sure he is well placed to see if it will work in a GRMS environment.

 

[miniboo]

I think not. There are three 4001 courses there but no 4002. stfustfu

Studley

I was at Cosford last week and I was just going off what I was told.

 

[techie_tubby]

If they end up streaming people, what was the point in creating a single trade in the first place?

 

[Mug?]

Don't start that one...

Don't start that one...

If they end up streaming people, what was the point in creating a single trade in the first place?

DT_Xtremez_42: DT_Xtremez_42: DT_Xtremez_42:

It was explained to me that the 4001 course would work a little like the old Fitters courses that some of the less able had to do to get JT.DT_Xtremez_06:

Maybe the 4002 course could be seen as a little like the old Morse course, only those that needed it and showed able to do it would get to go back.

I was also told, by several briefs and roadshows that people would be selected on "suitability" for the 4001 slots.

If you all check your competences you will see which stream you are in.