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mcdoodle
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Thought the dispatchers course was only done in the USA? and it costs a fortune!
A few years I believe the movers, had asked to be accredited with this course but the RAF thought it would lose too many to civvieworld! surprise surprise!
If you have any info on this course in the UK, would you let me know?
cheers
mac
A few years I believe the movers, had asked to be accredited with this course but the RAF thought it would lose too many to civvieworld! surprise surprise!
If you have any info on this course in the UK, would you let me know?
cheers
mac
Are you talking about the NVQ ones?
Had a look but they looked a bit weak and i'm still not convinced about the weight NVQ's carry in the normal world.
I did hear about an MSc in Airport Operations which is being offered by one of the London Uni's via distance learning - first degree not necessary and the ELC could be used for the fees (which are as high as you would expect for a masters!)
PM me if you want any more info.
BTW -Love the Avatar McDoodle - reminds me of a bloke I used to work with after he had drunk too many Lager and Limes and a sherbert dib dab - names on a self addressed envelope to the usual address.
Had a look but they looked a bit weak and i'm still not convinced about the weight NVQ's carry in the normal world.
I did hear about an MSc in Airport Operations which is being offered by one of the London Uni's via distance learning - first degree not necessary and the ELC could be used for the fees (which are as high as you would expect for a masters!)
PM me if you want any more info.
BTW -Love the Avatar McDoodle - reminds me of a bloke I used to work with after he had drunk too many Lager and Limes and a sherbert dib dab - names on a self addressed envelope to the usual address.
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mcdoodle
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ex wifes sucked al my cash, so i wont be doing an MSc any time soon, i'm afraid, but i do have plenty of time before i get kicked out, so i may look at it in the future.
But there is a specific dispatchers course that you can do, as the fomz was saying, but i thought it was only available in the USA!
does the bloke you're thinking of have a bar named after him at shawbury?
But there is a specific dispatchers course that you can do, as the fomz was saying, but i thought it was only available in the USA!
does the bloke you're thinking of have a bar named after him at shawbury?
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I did the NVQ a few years ago, I got the impression it was a made up qualification that meant little or nothing.
McDoodle.
Here's the course provider I'm talking about Avtech 2000. Its not the FAA Dispatchers course that you're thinking of, but after speaking to a mate at Virgin, the C&G Airline Ops and Dispach and the Airport Operations are the qualifications that they are looking for.
I went for these rather than the ones being run by the RAF as Avtech are industry recoginsed.
I claimed for majority of the course with an ELC, only paying £195 out of my sky rocket and at the end of it, an AIP to boot.
So, anyone else out there doing it?
Here's the course provider I'm talking about Avtech 2000. Its not the FAA Dispatchers course that you're thinking of, but after speaking to a mate at Virgin, the C&G Airline Ops and Dispach and the Airport Operations are the qualifications that they are looking for.
I went for these rather than the ones being run by the RAF as Avtech are industry recoginsed.
I claimed for majority of the course with an ELC, only paying £195 out of my sky rocket and at the end of it, an AIP to boot.
So, anyone else out there doing it?
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Is it a return after a while away? Dodgy jogging bottoms etc?
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I passed the aptitude for avtech2000, never went any further..
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mcdoodle
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I did the NVQ a few years ago, I got the impression it was a made up qualification that meant little or nothing.
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nice one fomz, might check it out! but at £195 i might have to cut back on my red wine for a week or so.
just the one question, might civvie employers look at this qualification seriously in the future?
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Its not mandatory, but alot of them will expect you to have something along these lines and it is industry wide recognised.
And as Aunty Liz is paying for most of it and you can claim an AIP at the end, it'll pay for itself pretty quickly. Well unless you're a level 7 of course!!!
And as Aunty Liz is paying for most of it and you can claim an AIP at the end, it'll pay for itself pretty quickly. Well unless you're a level 7 of course!!!
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mcdoodle
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just checked it out Fomz, i must admit that i quite fancy the airport operations and dipatch course. think the only thing putting me off at the moment is the fact that they've mispelt 'dispatch' on their front page.....that and the fecking price.
think i'll print it all off and head down to the learning flight or tdf or whatever they're calling themselves these days. will keep you posted on how i get on!
Off Topic SSH ref. your aptitude test, you went for a job with avtech? or you had to sit the aptitude test for one of their courses? if it was the latter, i'm not really surprised, with your lack of experience working in the aviation field
DT_Xtremez_30:
think i'll print it all off and head down to the learning flight or tdf or whatever they're calling themselves these days. will keep you posted on how i get on!
Off Topic SSH ref. your aptitude test, you went for a job with avtech? or you had to sit the aptitude test for one of their courses? if it was the latter, i'm not really surprised, with your lack of experience working in the aviation field
DT_Xtremez_30:Whilst not wishing to question any individuals commitment or motives towards studying, my concern is that numerous institutes have sprung up recently offering specific Vocational qualifications aimed at getting ELC money from the Forces.
Many of these courses are overpriced and the same qualification could be gained by enquiring directly to City & Guilds or the QCA which FE colleges in your area are offering similar awards.
It's a nice little earner for these new providers in much the same way as ILM and C&G are raking in money from the forces by offering insubstantial courses that then give the student erroneous or at least irrelevent post nominals such as MILM - "that'll be £80.00 - cheers easy."
An example of missinformation is this from Avtech main page;
"You will also have covered the underpinning technical knowledge for NVQs in Controlling Aircraft Operations, Controlling Airport Operations, and Controlling Aircraft Payloads; (of course this knowledge has then to be demonstrated to your NVQ assessor as part of your NVQ portfolio). "
What exactly are they saying? The 'underpinning technical knowledge for NVQ's' IS your professional practice - it's what you do now!! The whole point of NVQ's is that they are a recognition of competence set against vocational benchmarks and as such shouldn't be taught, Why bother paying these clowns? just go and do the NVQ directly, It's why the government invented them, so you wouldn't have to do academic courses!!!
My advice would be to use SLC's at your local FE Colleges if at all possible, if not check with the QCA which institutes are offering the level of NVQ / C&G you want at the best price and check their ratings in the annual government tables (another reason to avoid the private companies is that they are not subject to ALI / Ofsted inspections)
Ifyour looking at using the ELC's the only way you are going to get value for money is by studying at a HE institute.
Cranfield are offering a course that looks good if you want to go into airport management, a first degree with Hons is required for this one and it is a year full time, but hey, what else are you going to spend your gratuity on?
http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/students/prospectus/courses/page1145.jsp
Loughborough are offering a similar course;
www.loughborougheng.co.uk/admin/ar/lps/progspec/MSc_Airport_Planning_&_Management.doc
The bottom line is dont get caught up by the glossy magazines and random post nominal letters that some of these new companies try to sell you. Speak to your local college or Uni and see what credit they will give you for your professional practice - you will be surprised!
Many of these courses are overpriced and the same qualification could be gained by enquiring directly to City & Guilds or the QCA which FE colleges in your area are offering similar awards.
It's a nice little earner for these new providers in much the same way as ILM and C&G are raking in money from the forces by offering insubstantial courses that then give the student erroneous or at least irrelevent post nominals such as MILM - "that'll be £80.00 - cheers easy."
An example of missinformation is this from Avtech main page;
"You will also have covered the underpinning technical knowledge for NVQs in Controlling Aircraft Operations, Controlling Airport Operations, and Controlling Aircraft Payloads; (of course this knowledge has then to be demonstrated to your NVQ assessor as part of your NVQ portfolio). "
What exactly are they saying? The 'underpinning technical knowledge for NVQ's' IS your professional practice - it's what you do now!! The whole point of NVQ's is that they are a recognition of competence set against vocational benchmarks and as such shouldn't be taught, Why bother paying these clowns? just go and do the NVQ directly, It's why the government invented them, so you wouldn't have to do academic courses!!!
My advice would be to use SLC's at your local FE Colleges if at all possible, if not check with the QCA which institutes are offering the level of NVQ / C&G you want at the best price and check their ratings in the annual government tables (another reason to avoid the private companies is that they are not subject to ALI / Ofsted inspections)
Ifyour looking at using the ELC's the only way you are going to get value for money is by studying at a HE institute.
Cranfield are offering a course that looks good if you want to go into airport management, a first degree with Hons is required for this one and it is a year full time, but hey, what else are you going to spend your gratuity on?
http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/students/prospectus/courses/page1145.jsp
Loughborough are offering a similar course;
www.loughborougheng.co.uk/admin/ar/lps/progspec/MSc_Airport_Planning_&_Management.doc
The bottom line is dont get caught up by the glossy magazines and random post nominal letters that some of these new companies try to sell you. Speak to your local college or Uni and see what credit they will give you for your professional practice - you will be surprised!
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Very eloquently put Shameless. I've got to admit, I did spend some time looking into this and chatting with a few mates who are working for the airlines in various Ops roles. There were 2 providers of this sort of course and Avtech seemed to be the favoured provider for these sort of courses. As for the degree, I took the opinion of horses for courses. If you want to be a dispatcher or planner, why have a degree in Airport management?
Not that I'm saying its a bad thing in anyway, but for 'foot in the door' qualifications, this route looked the best to me.
Not that I'm saying its a bad thing in anyway, but for 'foot in the door' qualifications, this route looked the best to me.
And that's a fair point, any qualification is laudible and it does show that there has been some forethought and personal development planning before you apply for a job at the airport, rather than leaving and thinking what do I do now!
My only concern is that companies like Avtech are simply designing courses to cash in on easy money from the forces ELC and SLC awards. Looking at their website they concentrate on HM forces and are obviously sourcing this revenue. In itself that is no bad thing, however they just seem to dressing up awards that are available to all servicemen free of charge from other sources such as FE colleges.
Good luck with your course and I would be genuinely interested in how valuable you find it.
My only concern is that companies like Avtech are simply designing courses to cash in on easy money from the forces ELC and SLC awards. Looking at their website they concentrate on HM forces and are obviously sourcing this revenue. In itself that is no bad thing, however they just seem to dressing up awards that are available to all servicemen free of charge from other sources such as FE colleges.
Good luck with your course and I would be genuinely interested in how valuable you find it.
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Got stuck in a room with an NVQ guy once, if the windows could have been opened, I swear I would have jumped. DT_Xtremez_17:
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Think I did the same course