'Bangle' pupil excluded again

[BuckyOHare]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/7091186.stm

Now this is a potential can of worms.

Uniform policy in school is important, but surely to non-specific deity/religious idol it should be ok to allow small items of religious jewellry like this? If they allowed that, then they could allow catholic crucifixes and the jewish and islamic equivalents and say that that is as far as it goes. No headdress, no special clothing - express your faith this way. That makes it fair and equal. But what are the odds do we think that this won't be good enough, and that the family will want more equality than others?

 

[mad_mo]

Its pathetic, the girl is wearing a bangle. Its part of Sikh religion. WTF is that schools problem????.

Had she been wearing a veil over her face, yes i could understand the arguement.

I had a previous boss who was a Sikh and wore a bangle, he never got suspended for it!. PC gone absolutley mad..

 

[TrenchardsLoveSock]

The school's head teacher Jane Rosser said the school's strict code of conduct had been in place for many years and had been established to ensure equality.

Well, I suppose if you discriminate against EVERYBODY it can be considered equalityDT_Xtremez_25:

If they adhere that rigidly to the uniform code, what about the timetable? Would they stop Moslems from attending prayers?

 

[Shiny_Rob]

The school rules state that no-one can wear any jewellery of any sort, why should she be any different.

 

[TrenchardsLoveSock]

The school rules state that no-one can wear any jewellery of any sort, why should she be any different.

Because she's not blinging up so she can look "street". They are simple, understated metal bangles that are intrinsic to her faith. If she was a boy would they be asking him not to wear a turban because the school has a no hat policy?

How would you like being told to remove your wedding ring (as an example) simply because the rules say you have to? Not for reasons of safety, but because the management don't like them and wouldn't want to offend the singlies.

 

[Scaley brat]

School policy is NO jewellry. She can always go to another school.
It's a school not a temple

 

[BuckyOHare]

Because she's not blinging up so she can look "street". They are simple, understated metal bangles that are intrinsic to her faith. If she was a boy would they be asking him not to wear a turban because the school has a no hat policy?

How would you like being told to remove your wedding ring (as an example) simply because the rules say you have to? Not for reasons of safety, but because the management don't like them and wouldn't want to offend the singlies.

I'm with you on this one. Like I said in original post, there must be scope to modify school policy to allow small items of religious jewellry. FFS if the forces can allow variations in Uniform which is intrinsic to service life surely to god* a school can.



*Insert your own personal preference of religious idol/icon/deity

 

[mad_mo]

School policy is NO jewellry. She can always go to another school.
It's a school not a temple

Sikhs worship in a Gurdwara, Hindus worship in a Temple!! ::

 

[Scaley brat]

Sikhs worship in a Gurdwara, Hindus worship in a Temple!! ::

Same horse, different Zebra ::

You pernickity fcuker I was close wasn't I .... same continent !! DT_Xtremez_15:

 

[BuckyOHare]

Off TopicBut to them that's like saying to a moslem that he goes to church every sunday for prayers!Off Topic

 

[TrenchardsLoveSock]

School policy is NO jewellry. She can always go to another school.
It's a school not a temple

Then you can argue that it isn't jewellery.

From the Concise Oxford English Dictionary:
1. jewellery n.
personal ornaments, such as necklaces, rings, or bracelets, that are made from or contain jewels and precious metal.

Or from the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary:
jewellery
noun
decorative objects worn on your clothes or body which are usually made from valuable metals, such as gold and silver, and precious stones

They aren't decorative, and they aren't made from precious metals (although that is stretching it a bit). They are articles of faith.

 

[Wing boy]

Its pathetic, the girl is wearing a bangle. Its part of Sikh religion. WTF is that schools problem????.

Had she been wearing a veil over her face, yes i could understand the arguement.
I had a previous boss who was a Sikh and wore a bangle, he never got suspended for it!. PC gone absolutley mad..

Double standards there fella! Double standards!

 

[laboratoryqueen]

If the school have a no jewlery policy, how can they allow ear rings.

 

[Da chief]

Lets just cut to the quick . . . . If a school has a uniform policy then that is the policy. Once you start to allow deviation from that all sorts of 'other dress codes' start to creep in. At the end of the day people choose to come and live in this country and as such should abide by the laws and rules that are in place, despite the fact that it may go against their particular beliefs or religion. I know it's an old argument but wear a crucifix in Saudi and see what kind of treament is meted out to the wearer.

 

[TrenchardsLoveSock]

Lets just cut to the quick . . . .

Good idea.

If a school has a uniform policy then that is the policy. Once you start to allow deviation from that all sorts of 'other dress codes' start to creep in.

The RAF has a policy for standards of dress and appearance. Concessions are made though for religious reasons. Sikhs can wear turbans and both Sikhs and Moslems may grow beards. I don't see loads of people trying to grow beards as a consequence.

At the end of the day people choose to come and live in this country and as such should abide by the laws and rules that are in place, despite the fact that it may go against their particular beliefs or religion.

They're not breaking any national laws though, just the dress code of a particularly inflexible school.
Also, WTF is with the small minded b0ll0x I put in bold? Just because they aren't white doesn't mean they were smuggled into the UK in the back of a lorry last week for a slice of welfare pie. They could be second or even third generation, in which case THE ARE FECKING BRITISH.

I know it's an old argument but wear a crucifix in Saudi and see what kind of treament is meted out to the wearer.

Not only is it an old argument, it is a sh1t one. Not just because of the general sentiment, but because SIKHS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH SAUDI.

Thanks for your words of wisdom from the Beano Bumper Book of Bigotry.DT_Xtremez_25:

 

[mad_mo]

They could be second or even third generation, in which case THE ARE FECKING BRITISH.

Off Topic British born Sikhs, it has always been noted that they are very proud to be British & loyal. let the record speak for itself below!!

http://government.articlesarchive.net/the-sikh-british-army-ve-celebrations-birmingham.html

 

[pie sandwich]

Not only is it an old argument, it is a sh1t one. Not just because of the general sentiment, but because SIKHS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH SAUDI.

Thanks for your words of wisdom from the Beano Bumper Book of Bigotry.DT_Xtremez_25:[/QUOTE]

Well from your Beano Bumper Book of Dumbness for Dumb peopleDT_Xtremez_15:

He was referring to Christians in Saudi due to the fact he said "wearing a cross in Saudi", it does give the game away there I doubt Sikhs wear crosses.

But This girls joined the school, then became a Sikh. So she was fully aware of what the school policy was when it came to religious items of clothing.

I think it is a good idea that they do not allow any sort of jewellery be it fashion or religious and any sort of clothing that separates people from each other.

 

[Wing boy]

Not only is it an old argument, it is a sh1t one. Not just because of the general sentiment, but because SIKHS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH SAUDI.

Thanks for your words of wisdom from the Beano Bumper Book of Bigotry.DT_Xtremez_25:

Well from your Beano Bumper Book of Dumbness for Dumb peopleDT_Xtremez_15:

He was referring to Christians in Saudi due to the fact he said "wearing a cross in Saudi", it does give the game away there I doubt Sikhs wear crosses.

But This girls joined the school, then became a Sikh. So she was fully aware of what the school policy was when it came to religious items of clothing.

I think it is a good idea that they do not allow any sort of jewellery be it fashion or religious and any sort of clothing that separates people from each other.[/QUOTE]


I have read it a total of 3 times now and can't work out where you got that idea from. I take it you didn't notice that her last name was Singh and therefore she has probably been a Sikh since birth?

 

[Scaley brat]

When I was in the sixth form (Back in the dark ages before that TLS tosser points it out ! :, the girls wanted to wear trousers. Cords to be precise. They stated that the German language teacher miss B****** wore cords therefore they should be allowed to wear them as well. The venerable mr Lloyd (Headmaster of the School)told them that as miss B****** was staff she wasn't bound by school uniform rules, the pupils however were and that any girl turning up incorrectly dressed would be sent home to change. He did too, a couple of times !!

My point is the school rule, right or wrong IS the rule. If she doesn't like it she can go to ANOTHER school.
We bend or amend too many rules for minorities. It's time they started adhering to MAJORITY rule, it's the way society is supposed to work. DT_Xtremez_25:

 

[TrenchardsLoveSock]

Well from your Beano Bumper Book of Dumbness for Dumb peopleDT_Xtremez_15:

He was referring to Christians in Saudi due to the fact he said "wearing a cross in Saudi", it does give the game away there I doubt Sikhs wear crosses.

I know he was referring to Christians in Saudi. It's still not valid because Saudi has feck all to do with Sikhism, in fact, Sikhs get just as much (if not more) grief there than Christians. He may as well have pointed out that the Chinese eat dogs, it's just as relevant.

But This girls joined the school, then became a Sikh. So she was fully aware of what the school policy was when it came to religious items of clothing.

Where did you read that? She's a Sikh, her parents are Sikhs.
The confusion may come from the fact that non-baptised Sikhs do no wear/carry the Five Ks (which includes the bangle). Baptism is carried out when the Sikh can recite and understand the scriptures and feel they are ready to adhere to the strict code of Khalsa Sikhs. That may be why the bangles have only recently become an issue.

Do you want your book back?DT_Xtremez_15:

<some drivel about trousers>

But this isn't about fashion, it's about religion.

My point is the school rule, right or wrong IS the rule. If she doesn't like it she can go to ANOTHER school.
We bend or amend too many rules for minorities. It's time they started adhering to MAJORITY rule, it's the way society is supposed to work. DT_Xtremez_25:

If it was a MAJORITY rule and she was supposed to fit in or feck off then your argument about moving schools falls apart because bangles would be banned at all schools.

You can borrow that book when pie sandwich has finished with itDT_Xtremez_30: