Bereavement leave

[monkeysm8]

And dusted....

 

[KingGuin]

What's the official gen with the above leave, if an immediate family member has passed?

Compassionate leave is authorised by either the Chf Clk or OC PSF - out of hours the decsion is delegated to the Ord Off. In the first instance I would approach your Flt Cdr whom, in turn, will contact the Chf Clk. This serves to inform your CoC that you may be either off work or somewhat distracted in work.

The rules governing granting of such leave are quite prescriptive e.g. unless e.g. you had been raised by your Aunty I would not normally give you comp leave and would do only for your recorded NOK. However as with much of admin, the Chf Clk can make a subjective judgement based on your circumstances.

 

[CC]

It's all in JSP751 but as stated above. Comp leave, and authority to travel at public expense, tends to be only for in scope relations. Aunties, uncles and grandparents are not in scope relations. That said, it's the Chf Clk's call and you would like to think they'd show some compassion.

 

[gemarriott]

I was sent back from an APC in Cyprus when my Grandfather died suddenly, the Squadron Wobbly broke the news to me, he asked me about him then said the decision "is yours to make, they only bury him once, we come here every year! Oh there is Herc going home at 0800 tomorrow" I was home within 36 hours of his passing, if Carlsberg made Wobblys they must have made him.

 

[CC]

I was sent back from an APC in Cyprus when my Grandfather died suddenly, the Squadron Wobbly broke the news to me, he asked me about him then said the decision "is yours to make, they only bury him once, we come here every year! Oh there is Herc going home at 0800 tomorrow" I was home within 36 hours of his passing, if Carlsberg made Wobblys they must have made him.

TBH, that's how it should be, utilisation of service transport. They even do it from Afghan.

 

[propersplitbrainme]

Off Topic
Comp 'A'd home from Cyprus in 1994 when my dad was diagnosed with the big C and mum was on the edge of sanity! Absolutely outstanding service by the cell at Innsworth (as it was then), was back in Gloucester, ironically just down the road from Innsworth, by 9pm after getting notification mum had contacted the cell at 11am.
My only regret now is I never picked the phone up to say thanks afterwards; I know they wouldn't expect it but sometimes its the least you can do.

 

[John Lloyd]

I was sent back from an APC in Cyprus when my Grandfather died suddenly, the Squadron Wobbly broke the news to me, he asked me about him then said the decision "is yours to make, they only bury him once, we come here every year! Oh there is Herc going home at 0800 tomorrow" I was home within 36 hours of his passing, if Carlsberg made Wobblys they must have made him.

I was sent back from an APC in Cyprus when my Mum died suddenly. Told by the Orderly Officer at 4.00 AM, on a Tristar at 8.30 AM straight through Brize and on a train heading North. I was back at Leeming that evening.

Say what you will about the management, when it's bad they are good.

 

[fat lazy techie]

From recent experience I have to say the system works wonders. Don't really want to go into things too much, needless to say the chief clerk and my management chain went, in my eyes, above and beyond what I expected and for that I thank them. Nedless to say it prevented a PT case and common sense prevailed.

 

[Humble Scribe]

It is open to interpretation however, in the circumstances you provide, I would expect any decent Chf Clk to award you at least a weeks Comp leave and maybe more dependant on your leave balance. You should also add ILA if the circumsatnces permit.

Sorry for your loss.

 

[CC]

It is my Dad who has passed.
I am after what the rule is with leave i.e are you entitled to any compassionate or do you have to use your annual leave???
My work place are saying I have to use annual leave which I was a bit gob smacked at.

There is always the argument of using your ILA before being given Comp Leave, especially as we are so close to the end of the leave year.

That said, your Flt Cdr should at least approach the Chf Clk.

 

[Northern Monkey]

I was given 2 weeks when my dad passed away about 1 and half years ago. I then took a third week as annual leave. It was said to me that the amount was pretty standard at the time.
On a similar note to what has already been written, I was in Afghan and was flown back via C17 same day. Local management were brilliant, everything had been teed up back home, and god bless whoever did it, they sent some flowers to my mum which was a lovely touch, I think. Fair play to the way in which the system works.
In addition, I think the leave was set up by my line management more than anything, probably in consultation with the chief clerk or whoever.

 

[Stevienics]

Technically, as I recall, annual leave was supposed to be taken for comp purposes. It is a total nobber of a section that actually logged the leave as such, however.

For most people, it occurs twice in their career. Both time my bosses have quite literally turned the rules inside out to make "it" happen. I do hope that you receive the same attention.

 

[spiceyandcoke]

Monkey
sorry for your loss!!
it really is **** to lose one or both parents and can be very hard to deal with and to come to terms with. with regards to leave i think you are entitled to a couple of weeks which can be ok'd locally(line boss\in conjunction with chf clerk) lets be honest it can be devastating and none of us knows how it will affect us until it happens, for me i had a few weeks off and was keen to get back to work and get on with it but it was hard and my management were superb and very understanding.
I realise this doesn't really answer your question i think it varies depending on where you are / work etc and how human your bosses are?

it does get better!

 

[Bucc Boy]

When my Dad died in 96, my Sgt did 'everything' by the book, and if he didn't know what the book said on a certain topic..........he found out!
He said that officially there is no such thing as compassionate leave and that I would have to use my annual until it ran out, then if I still needed any time off it would need to be granted by Chf Clerk.
I took what he said as gospel and indeed that is how it happened. I always carried over a fortnight for emergencies, but would have appreciated a bit of 'compassion' at the time.
Sorry to hear of your loss monkeysm8

 

[Realist78]

Monkey
sorry for your loss!!
it really is **** to lose one or both parents and can be very hard to deal with and to come to terms with. with regards to leave i think you are entitled to a couple of weeks which can be ok'd locally(line boss\in conjunction with chf clerk) lets be honest it can be devastating and none of us knows how it will affect us until it happens, for me i had a few weeks off and was keen to get back to work and get on with it but it was hard and my management were superb and very understanding.
I realise this doesn't really answer your question i think it varies depending on where you are / work etc and how human your bosses are?

it does get better!

Monkey,
sorry to hear of your loss, I hope your management are more human than one individual of mine was. I explained on the Monday morning that my Mum had died at the weekend and the funeral was going to be on Thursday. Tw@t only moved his perspex ruler across his manning board and said it should be OK as my partner in crime (fellow SNCO) could cover the trade desk. I simply left him my 1250 and said use it if you want and then walked out.
Time heals!

 

[Dixie68]

Not bereavement leave but when my marriage broke up & I needed time to sort everything out, my then boss was told the same thing - there was no such thing as CL and I would need to use annual leave. I didn't have a problem with that but my boss wasn't happy so called up the Med Centre and got them to sign me off for two weeks for 'stress'. I kept my annual leave.
My thoughts are with you - it's never easy losing family.

 

[fat lazy techie]

From my recent experience comp leave is agreed with the chief clerk through your line management. With my recent experience it was left open ended, to an extent, but then my management and the chief clerk have been superb. In a way I'm glad to be at work but in another would rather not have been in the situation to have required comp leave.

 

[clungemobile]

It is open to interpretation however, in the circumstances you provide, I would expect any decent Chf Clk to award you at least a weeks Comp leave and maybe more dependant on your leave balance. You should also add ILA if the circumsatnces permit.

Sorry for your loss.

If the purpose of Comp Leave is to allow personnel an authorised period of absence to enable them to attend to a personal crisis.....and the amount of Comp Leave awarded rests with the CO but it should exceed 4 weeks only in exceptional circumstances....

How the hell is that open to interpretation?

 

[clungemobile]

There is always the argument of using your ILA before being given Comp Leave, especially as we are so close to the end of the leave year.

That said, your Flt Cdr should at least approach the Chf Clk.

So his Dad has passed away and you think there is an argument for using his own leave before being allowed Comp Leave?

Where does it state this as I couldn't see it when I looked in JSP 760 Chap 16!

 

[Humble Scribe]

If the purpose of Comp Leave is to allow personnel an authorised period of absence to enable them to attend to a personal crisis.....and the amount of Comp Leave awarded rests with the CO but it should exceed 4 weeks only in exceptional circumstances....

How the hell is that open to interpretation?

Well how do you interpret 'personal crisis'? What is a crisis to one may not be to someone else.

Personally and like I have said already, I would have no hesitation in awarding M8 a period of comp leave but other units say use your ILA first. Some play hard ball others are more lenient; that's their interpretation of the regs!