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Can you bust a WO?

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rest have risen above me

rest have risen above me

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In the bar last night there was much conversation about people being busted and stuff, no-one in particular but the FS and his video penchant was part of it, the question was posed can you bust a WO back to the ranks? The reasoning behind that you couldn't was that he holds a Queens warrant and that removes him from the enlisted rank structure. As we know an officer is requested to resign his commission but what happens to a WO? This is obviously a hypothetical question as you don't get to WO without being able to hide your misdemeanours effectively.
 
rest have risen above me said:
In the bar last night there was much conversation about people being busted and stuff, no-one in particular but the FS and his video penchant was part of it, the question was posed can you bust a WO back to the ranks? The reasoning behind that you couldn't was that he holds a Queens warrant and that removes him from the enlisted rank structure. As we know an officer is requested to resign his commission but what happens to a WO? This is obviously a hypothetical question as you don't get to WO without being able to hide your misdemeanours effectively.
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Pretty sure the RAF and the other services work the same, to which I then offer this -

Army WO in a certain undisclosed med island posting, busted down from WO to Private in 2005 / 2006 for fraud. Queen's Warrant revoked, reprimanded to Colly then dishonourably discharged on a Private's Pension shortly afterward.

I believe that they do count the Queen's Warrant as a higher level but not completely separated, which is why a busted-down-WO is 'reduced to the ranks'.
 
Yes you can. I have seen it happen to a couple of WOs over the years. The most (in)famous being a WO I worked alongside at a large AT base in the Cotswolds 20-odd years ago who was bust down to JT just as he was leaving after 37 years service in a case that made the national press - lost pension, everything. It was a real shame as to date, he is one of the best WOs I had the pleasure to work for and a nicer guy you could not meet.
 
Irrespective of the crime, I am not sure you can touch the value of the pension any more - I stand to be corrected.
 
There was a WO medical charged with fraud/ theft, selling 1st field dressing etc on eBay, he was striped of rank n pension. With a dishonourable discharge he lost it all for £12000 made on the fly. It wasn't very long ago.
 
Can you bust a WO

Can you bust a WO

Of course you can, it depends on the circumstances. I heard of a WO being busted and 'persuaded' to trade in his blue suit for a job in the real world sometime round 2003/04. Apparently the WO had been sampling the delights on offer provided by the wife of one of his own lads while hubby was on shift, on det in fact every time he was away from home. The airman got shot of the wife (with some help from the RAF), his choice of posting and, a rapid third tape. Crack on.
 
The SWO at Lossie was asked to move on some years ago after a very young LAC RAFP caught him cycling round and round a roundabout on camp after a mess doo.
 
Stevienics said:
Irrespective of the crime, I am not sure you can touch the value of the pension any more - I stand to be corrected.
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Consider yourself corrected. The WO in question, on leaving the RAF as a JT and not a WO, was not entitled to a WO pension.
 
Warwick Hunt said:
Consider yourself corrected. The WO in question, on leaving the RAF as a JT and not a WO, was not entitled to a WO pension.
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Perhaps the rules have changed since this happened over 20 years ago. Im sure the Medic WO who went down a couple of years ago kept his pension
 
techie_tubby said:
The SWO at Lossie was asked to move on some years ago after a very young LAC RAFP caught him cycling round and round a roundabout on camp after a mess doo.
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The (ex) SWO was driving an MT Corsa at the time, but it was indeed a young LAC/A/Cpl who arrested him.
 
Wobbly_Jon said:
Of course you can, it depends on the circumstances. I heard of a WO being busted and 'persuaded' to trade in his blue suit for a job in the real world sometime round 2003/04. Apparently the WO had been sampling the delights on offer provided by the wife of one of his own lads while hubby was on shift, on det in fact every time he was away from home. The airman got shot of the wife (with some help from the RAF), his choice of posting and, a rapid third tape. Crack on.
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It also depends on having strong station management who are prepared to proceed with a case. I had a WO bang to rights for stealing COS fund property, WO and OC Police were over ruled by a weak willed OC Admin and the case was filed. The WO concerned was a thoroughly unpleasant individual who thought only of himself and had a complete lack of concern for his staff. He felt that rules were for others.
 
WO and OC Police were over ruled by a weak willed OC Admin
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See this? This is one good thing the "Whole Force" will bring.

There is not one RAF Reserve SNCO or Officer with career induced morals. If OC Admin (or support as its known now) doesn't kick it off, it will be handed to someone that will.

Perhaps that's why it's not getting the plaudits it should? The accountability will be total.
 
From my own experience the reserves wouldn't be my shining example of morals in action.

Individuals, admittedly mainly FTRS, who are almost entirely dependant in their line management for continued employment can create a whole different set of issues.

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Some of the worst cronyism, nepotism and empire building I've ever witnessed have been at PTVR and FTRS levels. I interact with them daily and have seen it first hand.
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As do I. The people you refer to are devoid of influence, though I am fully aware of the type you speak of.

I have never encountered it at PTVR level - though as a Flt cdr I only really deal with my Flt

Without the PTVR, there IS no FTRS. I am engaged in ramming this home.
 
Having seen a PTRS attend a days training, spent fixing another PTRS car, abuse was very widespread.

In the end the guy had to pay him personally, although I came under incredible pressure to process a days pay from several SNCO reservists, and a pat on the back from others not in the clique.

If I hadn't noticed it would probably have been paid.

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