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Alsacien

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Looking for some clarity if poss from anyone involved in recruiting, I'm new to this forum, but a regular on Arrse.

I would have preferred it if my lad joined the military, but instead he prefers the RAF..... so I'll have to live with it I guess. He has been set on it since he was 15 (18 now), so its not a flash in the pan.
Here is the prob:
My lad took 11 GCSE's in 2009, and got 2 'D's including Maths and 9 at 'C' or above. Off he went down to the careers office with his results, only to be told that unless he wanted to be a dental nurse or play in the band, there were no vacancies. IT Tech is his first choice - his aptitude is for something technical/engineering, not purely academic. He does not fancy any Uni course (and he has looked a fair bit), and currently shows the leadership ability of a 3 toed Sloth.
We managed to get him on a 2 year ICT Diploma course which when he finishes this summer will equate to 3 'A' levels (it looked more practical than sixth form), and as he is on course for a distinction, 3 'A's.
He went down the careers office again twice last year, only to be told there were no tech vacancies and therefore he could not even go through the aptitude/medical etc process.
Visiting again this month (as instructed), he has now been told that his missing Maths GCSE is the problem, and now needs to be passed at 'B' (previously 'C'). The ICT Diploma and distinction equalling 3 'A' levels at 'A' are apparently irrelevant.
The annoying thing is that if they had told him last year he could have re-sat Maths this month, and/or could have got on a course in parallel to do it this summer. The next opportunity will now be Jan next year.
The published qual charts are apparently now out of date, and the RN woman he spoke to does not seem to really have her finger on the pulse.
We already have to help him consider his next move; IT jobs even at the lowest level are over-subscribed; going on to Uni is not of interest; HND/HNC options are near zilch due to lack of company sponsorship; he still does not even know if the RAF would want him, and waiting a year to resit an 'O'level when you have 3 'A' levels seems a bit bone to me - especially when they are career subject related.
Anyone able to give me a heads up? (I should add he is in UK and I am in Europe so cannot pop in to careers offices very easily).
 

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If your lad has an ICT GCSE or combined science then if there was a maths component in the Diploma they allow this as an offset, its a big if though in the current climate.

Good Luck
 
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Alsacien

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If your lad has an ICT GCSE or combined science then if there was a maths component in the Diploma they allow this as an offset, its a big if though in the current climate.

Good Luck

Thanks.
He has ICT GCSE at B and 2 flavours of Science at B and C.
To me, a distinction in ICT at diploma level shows a better aptitude for making it as an ICT tech than a random handfull of GCSE's - which is after all what the filter process is trying to achieve.....
 

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Apparently now grade B.....

This just reflects the times we live in, rules do change all the time, I would still recommend looking at the units your son did and if any have a Maths component I'd ask the AFCO to at least ask Cranwell for their decision.

If your son is prepared to wait ICT tech has always been a hard trade to fill so as soon as the recession is over we will be desparate for them again.

It's hard to recruit because it is quite hard to get through the training.
 

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I know it's changed for that particular job but I mean any job I'm 27 been out of work a long while but your son may have a lot of other qualifications but most companies require basic maths and English grade a-c. So really no matter what he wants to do he may want to try and gain maths grade c
 
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Alsacien

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This just reflects the times we live in, rules do change all the time, I would still recommend looking at the units your son did and if any have a Maths component I'd ask the AFCO to at least ask Cranwell for their decision.

If your son is prepared to wait ICT tech has always been a hard trade to fill so as soon as the recession is over we will be desparate for them again.

It's hard to recruit because it is quite hard to get through the training.

I don't think waiting is a problem, and he has already accepted he may have to do a Maths GCSE resit next Jan, my only concern being it would mean following an academic direction rather than a practical one in the current climate. As an employer myself, I don't want guys with PhD's working in IT first line support. Over-qualification is a current problem and it will get worse in the next couple of years IMO.
Not ever wearing blue myself, can you tell me what exactly is the role of Cranwell in these issues?
 
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Alsacien

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This just reflects the times we live in, rules do change all the time, I would still recommend looking at the units your son did and if any have a Maths component I'd ask the AFCO to at least ask Cranwell for their decision.

If your son is prepared to wait ICT tech has always been a hard trade to fill so as soon as the recession is over we will be desparate for them again.

It's hard to recruit because it is quite hard to get through the training.

I know it's changed for that particular job but I mean any job I'm 27 been out of work a long while but your son may have a lot of other qualifications but most companies require basic maths and English grade a-c. So really no matter what he wants to do he may want to try and gain maths grade c

I think its becoming a given that he will do a resit next Jan - just seems a bit bone to me when he has a stronger qual in the exact topic area.
 

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I don't think waiting is a problem, and he has already accepted he may have to do a Maths GCSE resit next Jan, my only concern being it would mean following an academic direction rather than a practical one in the current climate. As an employer myself, I don't want guys with PhD's working in IT first line support. Over-qualification is a current problem and it will get worse in the next couple of years IMO.
Not ever wearing blue myself, can you tell me what exactly is the role of Cranwell in these issues?

Cranwell run the recruiting game and have specialists, subject matter experts, who can make a decision that is out of the ordinary.

Have a look here first to see the value the RAF place on his qualification.
 
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Alsacien

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Many thanks for all the advice supplied so far both on the thread and via PM.
 
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Alsacien

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Cranwell run the recruiting game and have specialists, subject matter experts, who can make a decision that is out of the ordinary.

Have a look here first to see the value the RAF place on his qualification.


If I follow this matrix correctly his: Diploma in System Support (Level 3)




National Diploma IT Practitioners (ICT Systems Support)

..is the Advanced Diploma (Level 3)
= enough, even without a distinction?
 
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Yidmister

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I am a little confused. Can you confirm what job your son is applying for. ICT Tech or an Officer Entry. If you PM me I can give you the correct info. I am recruiter with the RAF so hopefully my info will be up to date.
 
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Alsacien

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I am a little confused. Can you confirm what job your son is applying for. ICT Tech or an Officer Entry. If you PM me I can give you the correct info. I am recruiter with the RAF so hopefully my info will be up to date.

PM sent, cheers.
 
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Alsacien

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Cranwell run the recruiting game and have specialists, subject matter experts, who can make a decision that is out of the ordinary.

Have a look here first to see the value the RAF place on his qualification.

Spent a bit of time cross checking, this is a confusing thing for all involved.
What his college refer to as:
BTEC Diploma in System Support (Level 3)

Edexcel (now BTEC awarding body) call:
BTEC National Diploma for IT Practitioners (System Support)
http://www.edexcel.com/quals/nat/IT-comp/Pages/default.aspx

Which if I interpret the RAF Educational equivalencies chart linked above correctly is:
BTEC National Diploma - post 2002 (on page 3)

Although the chart does not cover all combinations of Pass, Merit and Distinction - his probable; Merit, Distinction, Distinction result would have everything covered.

I have told him to show the RAF chart to the college, and get something from them in writing clearly describing the qual he will get. Then hopefully the AFCO can either understand it themselves, or he can ask them to refer to Cranwell if they are unsure.

Does anyone have any idea at what point in the year ICT tech vacancies are likely to come up?
 
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