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Hi all,

I'm sure this has been discussed before but I can't find a thread.

Civilian Appraisals! When your boss sloppy shoulders it, how far down the ranks can the writer be?

What is the JSP, Guidance etc for the 1720A?

What redress can happen if the wrong person in the chain takes the role of 1st RO?

Many thanks for your advice, in advance!
 
Hi all,

I'm sure this has been discussed before but I can't find a thread.

Civilian Appraisals! When your boss sloppy shoulders it, how far down the ranks can the writer be?

What is the JSP, Guidance etc for the 1720A?

What redress can happen if the wrong person in the chain takes the role of 1st RO?

Many thanks for your advice, in advance!
Depends on the grade of the Civil Servant but most are to be appraised by Junior Officers - no doubt Tinbasher or one of the others will be along shortly with the actual book references but there is a bumber book of managing Civilian Staff (MoD Personnel Manual) that has all you are looking for - though a quiet word with Civ Admin/HR would point you in the right direction
 
Without getting into big arguments about grade equivalence generally junior officers upwards, can write reports on civilians. Basically the civilian has to agree with the reporting chain so if a SNCO has been asked to write it, then if the civilian says no then its back up the chain.
 
Echoing the other comments - generally a Junior Officer. My Flt Lt did it for a civvy working alongside me in a registry - that said he did have me draft a few paragraphs as I spent the majority of the working day alongside her.

Same worked for disciplinary issues
 
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Just out of curiosity what grade are you talking about. If it's an E grade post, your boss is seriously behind the drag curve as the bonus award panels will be sitting very shortly.
 
It's not quite so straight forward to cross map RAF ranks to Civil Service grades. Depending on the role they fulfill or post they occupy D grades for instance can be in a role similar to a FS (ish) or they can fill a Flt Lt post again it's all very (ish) or they can do the same job as blue suit instructors who come a wide variety of ranks from Cpl upwards it's sometimes very difficult to decide where people fit into the reporting chain. That's only D grades, there are lots of other grades and some civvies are very picky about who is their 1st RO it's a potential minefield for the unwary. Nominating a commisioned officer is good start point though, especially if there are no senior grade civvies around.


Edited to add. Just asked one civvy D grade who in his opinion would be the lowest Blue suit rank that could be his 1st RO. Without hesitation he instantly replied "minimum Sqn Ldr". His view is that as a someone whose grade equates to Flt Lt who else could it be.
 
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I believe that SNCOs can write 1720As on Skill Zone personnel as their unions allow it. Admin post must be a Junior officer or higher. As for time as their line manager, I was warned that it must be 6 month minimum by our Civ Admin.

The question is, will you win if you say no to your boss, or will anyone help when your civvy says I only got a small bonus because of you!? No in both cases!!

Who was named on the 1720 as the reporting officer at the start of the year when the front pages were raised? Who is managing this Civvy on HRMS? If you send these documents off to PPPA with a conflict of names it will/should bounce! Mine did!
 
Extract from the PPPA Guidance/FAQs for Civilians:


Q20. Can someone of equivalent pay band or skill zone or Service/MDP rank or other equivalent grade report on me?
A
[FONT=Arial,Arial]Yes, when they are clearly your immediate line manager (for example, they lead the team of which you are a member). You will be expected to agree such an arrangement where it is a reasonable request that reflects the local organisation and business needs.
[/FONT]Q21. Can someone of a lower pay band or skill zone or Service/MDP rank report on me?
A
[FONT=Arial,Arial]No.
[/FONT]


Sufficiently woolly?:PDT_Xtremez_42:
 
I believe that SNCOs can write 1720As on Skill Zone personnel as their unions allow it. Admin post must be a Junior officer or higher. As for time as their line manager, I was warned that it must be 6 month minimum by our Civ Admin.

The question is, will you win if you say no to your boss, or will anyone help when your civvy says I only got a small bonus because of you!? No in both cases!!

Who was named on the 1720 as the reporting officer at the start of the year when the front pages were raised? Who is managing this Civvy on HRMS? If you send these documents off to PPPA with a conflict of names it will/should bounce! Mine did!

If there is a change of manager there will be more than one report. The old Manger should write a report on leaving. The 6 months is a guideline it can be less depending on the situation. HRMS should be updated to show this, normally a quick phone call is all that is needed.

As to the bonus argument it is up to the individual to provide good evidence for the 1st RO to make comment on. However it should be noted that the objectives are looked at as part of the bonus decision. As with all reports civilian or service there will always be an element of wordsmanship which is pot luck as to how good the Reporting officers are!
 
When writing civi reports I remain professional and write them to the same standard that an untrained civi writes an sjar/ojar ..flickin' shoite...good luck getting the bonus! 5 written this year..nil recommended for bonus. The bonus system is another argument, all 5 thought they should get it despite average/good performance, they didn't do anything over and above. It came down to the fact that the bonus system has been normalised and our civi colleagues expect it as an extention of their wage..WRONG.:PDT_Xtremez_30:
 
When writing civi reports I remain professional and write them to the same standard that an untrained civi writes an sjar/ojar ..flickin' shoite...good luck getting the bonus! 5 written this year..nil recommended for bonus. The bonus system is another argument, all 5 thought they should get it despite average/good performance, they didn't do anything over and above. It came down to the fact that the bonus system has been normalised and our civi colleagues expect it as an extention of their wage..WRONG.:PDT_Xtremez_30:

Provided they have done there job and are not under diciplinary action they should get a standard bonus, which is by the way a tax and pension scam by this goverment. They should get a higher bonus if they have performed over and above expectation.
 
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When writing civi reports I remain professional and write them to the same standard that an untrained civi writes an sjar/ojar ..flickin' shoite...good luck getting the bonus! 5 written this year..nil recommended for bonus. The bonus system is another argument, all 5 thought they should get it despite average/good performance, they didn't do anything over and above. It came down to the fact that the bonus system has been normalised and our civi colleagues expect it as an extention of their wage..WRONG.:PDT_Xtremez_30:


Sorry mememe...

How can you say you remain professional yet write them to "the same standard that an untrained civi writes an sjar/ojar"?

Equally, I'm not defending untrained civvies in the reverse scenario; either way the Line Manager/Reporting Officer should not allow himself to be left ignorant. Further, his management chain should not allow an RO to be ignorant/untrained.



Haven't you done the required (mandated) training? If not, you shouldn't be writing the reports, regardless of position.

With respect to "nil recommended for bonus" "despite average/good performance", I'd suggest that you might like to look at the criteria for bonus recommendation - at the very least.

Line Managers no longer actually make a formal recommendation for bonus. If staff have provided satisfactory performance - "performing to the standard expected in all respects", the 12 "Aspects of Performance" on the PAR (boxes) should result in a Line Manager's overall Evaluation of Performance of a "B - to the standard in all respects" marking - this could be B+ or B- dependent on whether their performance was "to" or "above" the standard and in "all" or "most" respects.

Obviously, the narrative must support the box marking and Award Managers should be on the lookout for inconsistencies.

For Skill Zone staff (Industrials) there are 3 criteria for an Award Manager to NOT award a skill zone share:
1. Absence
2. Restoring Efficiency (unsatisfactory work performance)
3. Job Holder has not reached or maintained the expected level of performance

"Every job holder who has demonstrated consistently satisfactory performance throughout the reporting year will receive at least a basic Skill Zone Performance Award" (quote from Guidance in Completing Performance Assessment Report - available on Intranet - PM me for link if you can't find it)

The above is broadly equivalent for Non-Industrials with similar criteria for an Award Manager to NOT award a basic bonus.

For both there are then further criteria to be applied for the consideration towards a higher bonus award - e.g. where they have done "over and above".

As for "our civi colleagues expect it as an extention of their wage..WRONG".... actually, the basic award is effectively just that - an award for satisfactory performance.

I think you're being a little precious and judgemental. Maybe you have some civvies like that working in your area, but the greater majority have accepted this scheme as an unfair, divisive system, imposed by the Treasury with the sole intent being to minimise the wage bill (and ultimately the pension bill).

Regardless that the bonus scheme is (and always has been) divisive, this is no excuse for Line Managers copping out (Service or civilian), even though the bonus will barely pay for a month's groceries!:PDT_Xtremez_14:
 
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