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Condemned oven and daily subsistence question

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I'm hoping someone may be able to shed some light on this matter. We had our annual gas safety check on Thursday and the engineer decided to condemn our oven. The housing bods have said they will get a replacement to us as soon as possible, however made no mention of a specific date. To that end are there any Admin folk that could confirm whether or not I'd be entitled to any form of daily subsistence? Breakfast and lunch aren't too much of a problem but with two little one's we need a hot meal for dinner. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
MODern housing website mentions food allowances of £10 per day per adult and £5 per under 16 if the house is deemed uninhabitable and they have to put you in to a hotel. Has it gone in as an emergency replacement if it's your only means of cooking? I'd push the help desk for a timescale first and then take it from there.
 
I had a similar issue and was told you can use your hob! SO yes I guess it depends on whether it has been disconnected in toto
 
Hi,

Your appliance has been given an annual statutory Safety check by a contracted Gas Safe registered engineer. This is a requirement under the Gas Safety (Installation &Use) Regulations 1998 -http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/contents/made

Part F - Maintenance, section 36 - Duties of Landlords, give you the relevant details, and their legal duties they are required to fulfil, without exemption. Have a read so you understand the context.

Regarding the use of a condemned appliance; ON NO ACCOUNT USE ANY PART OF IT. The engineer should have left a Certificate of Gas Safety, detailing the defect, and the statement that the appliance is not safe to use. Your Landlord, what ever they are now called, have a statutory duty to act, and either repair, or replace your appliance without delay.

I had the same situation in a quarter in Cottesmore before I got the pension. Even had two small children as you do. The Families flight just buggered around, so I went to the SMO, and explained my predicament to him. He very quickly spoke with the station HSE Officer who confirmed the regulation. After that it was just a case of involving the Families flight to local purchase a new cooker and install. Took about three days from start to finish. We ate out for that time, and I think I claimed for actual costs with receipts.

In my humble opinion, you are paying for a service through your monthly rent. They have an absolutes duty to supply safe and suitable equipment. You pay for it, so start kicking back! Will be interested to know the result too.

Good luck

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Umbo

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Thanks for the replies everyone, I should have mentioned that the oven has been completed disconnected and the gas supply has been capped. Thanks too Umbo for your response, I am keeping our receipts, we aren't kicking the arse out of it either! I have a sneaky suspision we won't hear anything until Wednesday, which would leave us without an oven for just shy of a week! I will be going straight to Mil Admin on Wednesday to claim my meal costs back and when they invariably start questioning it, I feel a "let me speak to the WO" moment coming on!
 
Winston Churchill said:
Thanks for the replies everyone, I should have mentioned that the oven has been completed disconnected and the gas supply has been capped. Thanks too Umbo for your response, I am keeping our receipts, we aren't kicking the arse out of it either! I have a sneaky suspision we won't hear anything until Wednesday, which would leave us without an oven for just shy of a week! I will be going straight to Mil Admin on Wednesday to claim my meal costs back and when they invariably start questioning it, I feel a "let me speak to the WO" moment coming on!
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Why would you approach the clerks? Housing is administered by DIO, not PSF.
 
KingGuin said:
Why would you approach the clerks? Housing is administered by DIO, not PSF.
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Maybe because he's not an expert in this area and wouldn't know who to approach first? Also the HR/PSF or whatever they're called this week will want to know why he's claiming for food etc seems a reasonabe first point of contact to me.
 
4everAD said:
Maybe because he's not an expert in this area and wouldn't know who to approach first? Also the HR/PSF or whatever they're called this week will want to know why he's claiming for food etc seems a reasonabe first point of contact to me.
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I refer you to my last. This has nothing to do with PSF, DIO administer SFA, they input the paperwork. Been this way for a number of years. Now if he reads this it'll save him a journey to HR/PSF or whatever we are calling ourselves this week. Good luck.
 
KingGuin said:
I refer you to my last. This has nothing to do with PSF, DIO administer SFA, they input the paperwork. Been this way for a number of years. Now if he reads this it'll save him a journey to HR/PSF or whatever we are calling ourselves this week. Good luck.
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Do you not agree though that before he puts claims in for subsistence on JPA it would be worth talking to HR or would payment come straight from DIO? I'm not ripping into HR on this just pointing out that they're a good place to go first to find out what/who to go to.
 
Can I suggest getting your Stn SCSO involved? Its the nearest thing these days to a Families Officer and the few I have had dealings with have been great when dealing with DHE / MHS matters.
 
4everAD said:
Do you not agree though that before he puts claims in for subsistence on JPA it would be worth talking to HR or would payment come straight from DIO? I'm not ripping into HR on this just pointing out that they're a good place to go first to find out what/who to go to.
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It would do no harm. He would need an authority to claim on JPA and DIO will give that.:PDT_Xtremez_14:
 
KingGuin said:
Gotta be DIO - they should supply a UIN.
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I'm not sure that this falls under the subsistence allowance category or even the FIA category; I wouldn't put it past DIO Ops(Accn) to have (or indeed invent) some other form of compensatory payment outside of the allowances package.

Slightly off topic but I'm having a minor 'discussion' with DIO at the moment who have taken the viewpoint that the relevant JSPs don't apply to them (but are happy to quote them at me).
 
Climebear said:
I'm not sure that this falls under the subsistence allowance category or even the FIA category; I wouldn't put it past DIO Ops(Accn) to have (or indeed invent) some other form of compensatory payment outside of the allowances package.
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I'd approve it under Misc....but then again you know I'm all for intelligent interpretation of JSPs and rules!
 
Just noticed this bit on the DIO website page on [wiki=SFA complaints][/wiki]:

What about downgrading or compensation?

DIO does not have authority to pay compensation or loss of earnings. We may temporarily downgrade accommodation charges where a major loss of amenity has occurred. Permanent downgrading can only be approved by a Board of Officers
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Get onto the HASC asap (on Wednesday saying that you want a temp downgrade) and also let your SCSO know what's going on (if on an RAF station if not, then the welfare equivalent).
 
is it just me but?

is it just me but?

Get down to Iceland and get a few microwave meals, or pot noodles, beans on toast, get the BBQ going, ask your friendly neighbour, eat out or grab a takeaway or a pizza.......
or buy yourself a new oven? pays for itself after 3 or 4 moves.

They might drop your rent for a week?
But I really don't see why there is a need for subsistence allowance. Or how that would be connected to HR or why JPA would be needed.
I see no reason why he would be entitled.
If I was renting and my cooker failed can I claim on JPA?
Rightly or wrongly SFA has nothing to do with the services any more.
When I was in the block and the power went off for a 4 hr standby test, can I claim for batteries?

I fear we are all getting a bit obsessed with what we are owed.
 
SFA has everything to do with the Services as they are provided for Service personnel - hence the 'S' in the abbreviation.

Each of the Services is represented on the Joint Customer Board.

SFA are the responsibility of an MOD organization (DIO Ops Accommodation) run by a serving air commodore.
 
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