Entitlements on moving

[Spearmint]

Bear with me, my query is of a slight convolution but I'll get there.

I've had a good scan through the archives and it appears that with an impending move coming my way in June 2011 (to a top secret base in Lincolnshire where we were told there was to be no places but everyone so far seems to be being sent to) I/we will be entitled to a move at public expense + disturbance allowance.

Circumstances being a move on assignment from private residence into a Quarter (Wife and Child coming along as well) after being at my current unit for over 8yrs now.

Now, I am still waiting to hear on if I will be able to remuster as an Officer, fingers crossed I'll know by Easter on that one thanks to the recent cuts involving some trainee pilots.

So, hypothetically speaking.......

If I was to then be told I start IOT in say, October 2011, (Phase 1 training so no right to a Quarter at Cranwell I believe) would my Wife and Child be still allowed to remain at our first place and wait it out? (Until my first posting which will be Phase 2 training and more than likely where my first tour will be)

Depending on what answers I get I may have more questions. Cheers. DT_Xtremez_19:

 

[Humble Scribe]

Slightly confused but if I read you right you will be moving to camp A in Jun then to IOT in Oct. Therefore family should stay put until posted post IOT/Phase 2 Trg. No problems there. You should also be able to claim GYH from Unit A to Cranners dependant on mileage.

 

[Spearmint]

Excellent, cheers HS.

Now, I think I've read it right. As my Family will only be in the Quarter for (Hopefully) a year or so we will then not be entitled to another move at public expense or disturbance allowance, is this correct or have the rules changed?

 

[Humble Scribe]

Excellent, cheers HS.

Now, I think I've read it right. As my Family will only be in the Quarter for (Hopefully) a year or so we will then not be entitled to another move at public expense or disturbance allowance, is this correct or have the rules changed?

No. If you are posted again, you will be entitled to a move at Public Expense provided you are required to move SFA. You certainly can't claim DA again if you move within 6 months but this is not the case here.

This is very scetchy and I normally guard against advising on allowances based on uncertainties and unknown personal circumstances so I would advise that you check again when you are sure of the detail.

 

[True Blue Jack]

If I was to then be told I start IOT in say, October 2011, (Phase 1 training so no right to a Quarter at Cranwell I believe) would my Wife and Child be still allowed to remain at our first place and wait it out? (Until my first posting which will be Phase 2 training and more than likely where my first tour will be)

My family stayed in my quarter at Conz until I completed phase 2 trg although it helped that my phase 2 was less than 6 months long. It did mean that my family were classed as "cuckoos" for 18 months altogether but DE are happy to accept that in the circumstances.

I also had approval to claim GYH(M) even though it was within the normal 50 mile lower limit, because during IOT you are required to live in.

Other people moved their families into quarters at Cranwell prior to the start of IOT, however, so that option is available if you want it. That said, if you are posted into Lincolnshire and looking for SFA there is a fair to middling chance you will be housed at Cranwell anyway but, bearing in mind changes to HDT, you may wish to think carefully before volunteering for that option. Just in case.

 

[clungemobile]

Didn't think there was any entitlement to SFA during phase 1 training?

 

[Spearmint]

Thanks guys, I freely admit that there are one or two slightly uncertain attributes in this little equation of mine but nevertheless I am a little bit more comfortable about the impending scenario.

 

[True Blue Jack]

Didn't think there was any entitlement to SFA during phase 1 training?

Not for direct entrants, that's true.

 

[clungemobile]

OK, is that laid down anywhere? I just thought it stated phase 1 training not whether you are a direct entrant or from the ranks.

I have had 3 mates who commissioned and all three left their families at last unit so I thought you had to do that. I would guess it is in many ways easier to do so during your training but it is good to have the choice I guess.

 

[True Blue Jack]

I have had 3 mates who commissioned and all three left their families at last unit so I thought you had to do that. I would guess it is in many ways easier to do so during your training but it is good to have the choice I guess.

That's what I did and I found it made life much easier. The guys who moved their families to Cranwell seemed to find it far too easy to escape home for a couple of hours in the evening and some of them suffered for it, particularly when it came to the academics. All in all, though, I reckon it was a 50/50 split.

It's laid down in JSP 464 Part 1 Para 0822h. How sad is that?!

 

[clungemobile]

That's what I did and I found it made life much easier. The guys who moved their families to Cranwell seemed to find it far too easy to escape home for a couple of hours in the evening and some of them suffered for it, particularly when it came to the academics. All in all, though, I reckon it was a 50/50 split.

It's laid down in JSP 464 Part 1 Para 0822h. How sad is that?!

Very! lol

But isn't that the retention of SFA? I wondered where the direct entrant not being allowed SFA while those from the ranks were was located?

 

[True Blue Jack]

Very! lol

But isn't that the retention of SFA? I wondered where the direct entrant not being allowed SFA while those from the ranks were was located?

Para 0301 of the same document states that to be entitled to SFA you must "....have completed initial training...."

Serving airmen, by definition, have completed initial training at least once, so they are not exempted by this clause. It's not explicit, I agree, but it works.