What do you reckon? Is this positive change can it/ will it work? Is this the Royal Air Force or the Avon catalogue?
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unruly1986
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They need it to work; both to retain people and please the recruit of tomorrow.
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So how you going to fix an aircraft from home or what if one mech comes in at 9.30 cos of flexitime, do his mates sit around cos they can't do their job until he's done his bit.
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ninjarabbi
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Realistically this policy would only suit admin types and if they can do the job sat at home then they don't have to be uniformed personnel. Sack the lot of them and civilianise their departments.
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Exactly or clothing stores. You could take a load of clothing home and then everybody could call in to yours on the way to work.
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Or you could cook lunch for everybody.
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Pah! Very easy to dismiss this because a techie can’t fix a jet in his front room or that some people need to be sitting in a certain location from 7.00 to 5.00 in order to support others.
However, do you need all 30 members of an early shift to be in @ 5.00, do you need them all there at the end, from my own experience and the amount of stand downs that were handed out I would suggest that’s it’s not a hard and fast demand.
There will be plenty of situations where flexible working could be considered and UK Law expects an employer to assess every request with an expectation that unless there is a reason not to, ie the onus is on the employer to prove this not the employee to justify it, it should be approved.
This isn’t new to the forces, I had a flexible request approved back in 2004/5 and it worked for me and the place I worked.
At the end of the day the law says they have to do it and the next generation of recruits will be expecting it.
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However, do you need all 30 members of an early shift to be in @ 5.00, do you need them all there at the end, from my own experience and the amount of stand downs that were handed out I would suggest that’s it’s not a hard and fast demand.
There will be plenty of situations where flexible working could be considered and UK Law expects an employer to assess every request with an expectation that unless there is a reason not to, ie the onus is on the employer to prove this not the employee to justify it, it should be approved.
This isn’t new to the forces, I had a flexible request approved back in 2004/5 and it worked for me and the place I worked.
At the end of the day the law says they have to do it and the next generation of recruits will be expecting it.
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So.....working from home as a Techie.....
Even if you aren't spannering so for example, a Docs Management Cell in both Typhoon or F35B, or just anything related to F35........there is nothing you can do from a laptop in your living room whilst sat in your underpants that satisfies our OPSEC.
It's a Nonner role only.
Even if you aren't spannering so for example, a Docs Management Cell in both Typhoon or F35B, or just anything related to F35........there is nothing you can do from a laptop in your living room whilst sat in your underpants that satisfies our OPSEC.
It's a Nonner role only.
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Again you’re looking at single roles and single situations, flexible working isn’t just home working, it’s job share, adjusted hours, annual hours, term time working, reduced hours, sabbaticals, and many other changes that could work in a number of situations.
Nobody is saying it isn’t difficult, any non standard working involves cost, acceptance of change and sometimes new ways of managing staff and outputs.
Having a blanket no for all situations is illegal, justifying a no for some and allowing it for others is less so, the forces lost crown immunity a long time ago for matters like this.
Anyway why would you not want to adopt modern working practices that makes for a better work place for all.
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Nobody is saying it isn’t difficult, any non standard working involves cost, acceptance of change and sometimes new ways of managing staff and outputs.
Having a blanket no for all situations is illegal, justifying a no for some and allowing it for others is less so, the forces lost crown immunity a long time ago for matters like this.
Anyway why would you not want to adopt modern working practices that makes for a better work place for all.
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I can see the merit in staggering different tradesmen. But if they don't all come in at once who'll do the Bull**** jobs
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As Busby has already stated, flexible working can work in any scenario, although I would be careful what you wish for - it may end up with those who ask for it being contracted to do a certain amount of hours and then having to clock in and out. The days of early stacks and gash time off would then be a thing of the past, as the system records every manual adjustment.
Working from home would probably be utilised more by those who have annual reports to compile. Many of my former SNCO/Officer colleagues used to "unofficially" do it when writing OJAR/SJARs, as the chances of them getting the report written to the correct standard in the workplace with the constant noise and interruptions is minimal, and is actually counter-productive as you end up spending double the time on them.
Working from home would probably be utilised more by those who have annual reports to compile. Many of my former SNCO/Officer colleagues used to "unofficially" do it when writing OJAR/SJARs, as the chances of them getting the report written to the correct standard in the workplace with the constant noise and interruptions is minimal, and is actually counter-productive as you end up spending double the time on them.
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So.....working from home as a Techie.....
Even if you aren't spannering so for example, a Docs Management Cell in both Typhoon or F35B, or just anything related to F35........there is nothing you can do from a laptop in your living room whilst sat in your underpants that satisfies our OPSEC.
It's a Nonner role only.
Even if you aren't spannering so for example, a Docs Management Cell in both Typhoon or F35B, or just anything related to F35........there is nothing you can do from a laptop in your living room whilst sat in your underpants that satisfies our OPSEC.
It's a Nonner role only.
My last tour I worked slightly flexible hours.Started at 7, finished at 3. Boss was happy for me not to work normal office hours as long as I got everything done. I actually found I got more done as I had 1 1/2hrs in the morning when no one else was about where I could crack on and work I disturbed.
I work from home now and it works well, I can tailor my hours to meet the demands of customers and the Americans. Everyone is a winner.
I work from home now and it works well, I can tailor my hours to meet the demands of customers and the Americans. Everyone is a winner.
Even in TG1 don't we already undertake flexible hours when required? Early flyers, bring certain people in early and they leave early. Piece of equipment not available until a certain time bring the required individuals in at that time. It's called managing your resources. As already said I work from home to get SJARs written and so does my boss, but we always ensure one of us is at work. After all flexibility is the key to airpower 
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Back to being a techie, there’s nothing stopping them asking your boss to adjust your hours or days in some ways.
Work in a traditional sense is changing and people expectations are changing with it.
If was chained to my desk from 9 til 5 I’d be a lot less effective and even though I’d probably be doing less work I wouldn’t be as happy as I could be when I’m given freedom to do what’s needed my way.
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briggfairy
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About time too, flexible working can really improve peoples attitudes to a workplace. To all those questioning how it works in a "hands on" role obviously wfh isn't possible all the time a shift in working hours / days of working nearly always is.
It takes quite a bit of work in terms of work planning to make sure you have the right people in the right place at the right time but if the management are progressive enough then it's normally possible.
Even spannering techies can be offered flexible working, I spent a lot of time sat around in a tea bar waiting for things to either break or land, there is no need to have such a waste of man hours. If you know your flying program you can bring people in as aircraft land. a skeleton crew can be onsite to deal with defects but they would most likely be the people who have childcare issues.
In terms of opsec given that a lot of people live in quarters is there nothing that can be done in terms of networking to allow sgt blogs to have the same connection at home as he does in the office which is a 10 minute walk away?
It takes quite a bit of work in terms of work planning to make sure you have the right people in the right place at the right time but if the management are progressive enough then it's normally possible.
Even spannering techies can be offered flexible working, I spent a lot of time sat around in a tea bar waiting for things to either break or land, there is no need to have such a waste of man hours. If you know your flying program you can bring people in as aircraft land. a skeleton crew can be onsite to deal with defects but they would most likely be the people who have childcare issues.
In terms of opsec given that a lot of people live in quarters is there nothing that can be done in terms of networking to allow sgt blogs to have the same connection at home as he does in the office which is a 10 minute walk away?
Spearmint, the technology is already available (encrypted links, MAC addressing access,and multiple layering etc etc etc) to do things like this from any remote location in a secure way. The issue is more likely that the powers that be do not know about it (or understand it) and therefore not approving its use. Then of course there is the actual cost to implementing it.
By the way, just put bodge tape over the camera if you are worried about your shreddies.
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All the more reason for the MoD not to even consider something similar.
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I work as a QM for an international company, and I work mainly from a computer.
I can do my job mainly from my home office every day but there are exceptions for days when I need to 'be somewhere'.
I need to control audits, attend meetings personally, where I need to 'discuss' things with individuals and sometimes groups, conduct investigations and give presentations and training lectures.
I am at home for about two weeks per month. Luckily, I now live close to my main place of work, something that I didn't do under a year ago, when I did the same QM job for a UK-based company that would not let me work from home, costing me approx £15k-£18k a year for suitable accommodation. I moved for a job paying £4k less....
I can do my job mainly from my home office every day but there are exceptions for days when I need to 'be somewhere'.
I need to control audits, attend meetings personally, where I need to 'discuss' things with individuals and sometimes groups, conduct investigations and give presentations and training lectures.
I am at home for about two weeks per month. Luckily, I now live close to my main place of work, something that I didn't do under a year ago, when I did the same QM job for a UK-based company that would not let me work from home, costing me approx £15k-£18k a year for suitable accommodation. I moved for a job paying £4k less....