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[FOMz]

Just looking at the last CCB, I see that the Cpl FMDL is and I quote 'set at a managed 90%'

So by that I take it that for the managd 90% we should really be reading 100% (and 35 perminantly gapped posts)

The SAC FMDL is at 79% (-96 posts), where as the scopies SAC are at 125% (+63) - Go figure

 

[True Blue Jack]

I haven't seen that for a while. FMDLs are almost always set at SAC level (unless otherwise stated) because in theory every other rank is at 100%, i.e., if there is a shortfall at sgt then you promote a cpl.

I imagine the 'managed 90%' is taking into account a planned reduction in the establishment? I know there have been a lot of rumours about amalgamating FOA and AS Op so I guess that may have something to do with it.

I think we should start a new poll: Are there any trades who don't feel fcuked over?

 

[Humble Scribe]

The TG17 FMDL has been set at Cpl level for some time now; if you continue to promote to Cpl, the AC FMDL will go down to some ridiculously low level, it's just a strategy to manage the trade while the lords & masters try to work out what the feck they're going to do with it! Next for the Shineys is a different FMDL at each rank level!

 

[NotAnIDOYet]

Just looking at the last CCB, I see that the Cpl FMDL is and I quote 'set at a managed 90%'

So by that I take it that for the managd 90% we should really be reading 100% (and 35 perminantly gapped posts)

The SAC FMDL is at 79% (-96 posts), where as the scopies SAC are at 125% (+63) - Go figure

TG12 does have an FMDL at Cpl level though!! Amalgamation of the trades would suit beancounters as the manning would finally balance. But then your lots training would have to significantly improve....

DT_Xtremez_32:Lights blue touch paper and retreats a safe distance.....

 

[SirSaltyHelmet]

Not biting...Waste of electrons

 

[FOMz]

TG12 does have an FMDL at Cpl level though!! Amalgamation of the trades would suit beancounters as the manning would finally balance. But then your lots training would have to significantly improve....

DT_Xtremez_32:Lights blue touch paper and retreats a safe distance.....

Off Topic
Thing is though, are we prepared to drop the aptidue level to that of the scopies? DT_Xtremez_14:

Back on topic now guys - FOA FMDL

 

[Hmmmm]

I would suggest that we have a 'managed' cpl FMDL because there are too many cpl posts. Do we really want to go down the route of promoting SACs to cpl afer 3 recs? Ooops, we're already doing that, I'll re-phrase. Do we really want to go down the route of promoting SACs to cpl after 2 Recs?

 

[FOMz]

Good point there Hmmm, So what of the -96 SAC posts?

 

[NotAnIDOYet]

I would suggest that we have a 'managed' cpl FMDL because there are too many cpl posts. Do we really want to go down the route of promoting SACs to cpl afer 3 recs? Ooops, we're already doing that, I'll re-phrase. Do we really want to go down the route of promoting SACs to cpl after 2 Recs?

The Tg12 lot went down the same route, there are people who have been promoted that IMHO should not have been yet. Trouble was short sightedness with equipment and not enough downgrading of jobs to suitable levels. All in all means not enough responsibility for JNCOs and airmen and no rebanding in the pay review.

Trade amalgamation would possibly be good for us all, I would relish some of your postings and it would also share the OOA burden that we are all feeling, albeit with large pinch-points in TG12.

FMDL is also only an estimate against established posts rather than filled ones. Is anyone really feeling the pinch of nearly 100 airmen short?

Fomz, like me you would probably have some resistance against amalgamation, it has problems and has been muted before. However when an Air Commodore wants to restructure the Ops Spt branch to be Air Battle Managers (although there must still be some specialists) then surely we will have to follow.

Good luck my friends, I've only got 4 years to do so will probably miss it all!!

 

[FOMz]

The Tg12 lot went down the same route, there are people who have been promoted that IMHO should not have been yet.

How very true. I was confronted with a Cpl who 'didn't know' how to do a Flight Plan last week!!!

Fomz, like me you would probably have some resistance against amalgamation, it has problems and has been muted before. However when an Air Commodore wants to restructure the Ops Spt branch to be Air Battle Managers (although there must still be some specialists) then surely we will have to follow.

Good luck my friends, I've only got 4 years to do so will probably miss it all!!

Me to mate, I'll see you in the Job Center. Maybe its time for the Cold war warriors to stand down eh?

 

[NotAnIDOYet]

How very true. I was confronted with a Cpl who 'didn't know' how to do a Flight Plan last week!!!


Me to mate, I'll see you in the Job Center. Maybe its time for the Cold war warriors to stand down eh?

We have similar problems Fomz, I have had to adapt to the new world order, these kids, sorry JNCOs, are scared of their own shadows at times.

Hope you "corrected" the Cpl involved...

 

[General Slim]

How very true. I was confronted with a Cpl who 'didn't know' how to do a Flight Plan last week!!!




Me to mate, I'll see you in the Job Center. Maybe its time for the Cold war warriors to stand down eh?

Did that Cpl have any training or refresher training on this particular aspect of job. If not then take a close look at yourself and the training regime.

Cold war warriors, you sound like some old buffer !

 

[R_Squared]

Did that Cpl have any training or refresher training on this particular aspect of job. If not then take a close look at yourself and the training regime.

Cold war warriors, you sound like some old buffer !

It's a flight plan FFS! Any FOA/ AATC/ ATCA or whatever we are now these days has absolutely no business not knowing how to fill in and process these!
Any Cpl claiming to not know how to do it, should get off their @rse pronto and b@@dy well find out!
You'll be saying that it wouldn't matter if they couldn't do a CALF amendment next.DT_Xtremez_32:

 

[SirSaltyHelmet]

Thing is r0jaws, did you know what a CALF amendment was leaving Shawbury? The only people who get an insight into CALFs are people in Flight Planning and Squadrons. So you could quite easily be a Cpl and not know what a CALF is.

 

[R_Squared]

Thing is r0jaws, did you know what a CALF amendment was leaving Shawbury? The only people who get an insight into CALFs are people in Flight Planning and Squadrons. So you could quite easily be a Cpl and not know what a CALF is.

Fair one, however, considering Ops and Sqn work constitutes 2 thirds of our job, surely any Cpl 'should' at least have covered this before being promoted.
With the state of promotion this probably isn't going to happen though.
Is it too much to ask that a JNCO has at least covered a basic Tower/ Ops tour prior to promotion? Or at least gone across for some familiarisation?
I have to be honest I can't remember if it was covered or not at Shawbury, but with the state of promotion maybe it should be.
What about covering all these basics on TMT? Instead of it being the 4 day p1ss-up waste of time it currently is.

 

[SirSaltyHelmet]

There are far more worthwhile things they could put into the courses than CALF, such as ATO/ACO/SPINs but it is too big a job. With the promotion as it is, 3 year tour in a tower and you can get your tapes. It is only now that we are actually seeing 2 tour SACs.

Best one will be Vegas, 3 SAC slots... Imagine the depth of trade knowledge. Saying that, the tour will be a chance in a lifetime,

 

[What's the bloody point?]

What about covering all these basics on TMT? Instead of it being the 4 day p1ss-up waste of time it currently is.

I take it then that you stayed in every night on your TMT1/2* and complained about the social side of the course in the critique offered?

*delete as appropriate

 

[R_Squared]

I take it then that you stayed in every night on your TMT1/2* and complained about the social side of the course in the critique offered?

*delete as appropriate

How did you get that from what I said? I wasn't complaining about the social side just the lack of depth to the course. It basically was a minature JMLC, covering the same stuff, interview techniques etc when it could be covering something more trade related.

There are far more worthwhile things they could put into the courses than CALF, such as ATO/ACO/SPINs but it is too big a job.

Shawbury basic trade training, OK I'll grant you that, but I'm positive we covered flight plans, their filling out, processing and addressing.
I was using CALF as an example, but surely if the TMT course was a bit longer and more trade focused a lot of this could be refreshed/ introduced?
What can they reasonably expect to cover in 1 week anyway?

 

[FOMz]

Did that Cpl have any training or refresher training on this particular aspect of job. If not then take a close look at yourself and the training regime.

He wasn't one of my JNCO's, so maybe you should have a look at yourself and how you've jumped to conclusions!! DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[SirSaltyHelmet]

How did you get that from what I said? I wasn't complaining about the social side just the lack of depth to the course. It basically was a minature JMLC, covering the same stuff, interview techniques etc when it could be covering something more trade related.



Shawbury basic trade training, OK I'll grant you that, but I'm positive we covered flight plans, their filling out, processing and addressing.
I was using CALF as an example, but surely if the TMT course was a bit longer and more trade focused a lot of this could be refreshed/ introduced?
What can they reasonably expect to cover in 1 week anyway?

Okay, devil's advocate, what could you teach about CALFing a map? How much time would be required to cover?

You will have covered Flight Plans, addressing and compilation