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This was always the way...if your flight plan had a destination of Gib you knew you were routing down Portugal then hanging a left...so a non-story.

SHAMEFUL Spain bans RAF plane from its airspace as Gibraltar tensions reach new levels
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However,

Mr Rosindell, Chairman of the British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies All Party Parliamentary Groups, said: “I think the message to Gibraltar should be that in the next decade Britain could become so diminished within the EU that we no longer have the might and sovereignty to defend Gibraltar.
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Not able to defend the Rock? Politically there are arguments for and against in terms of Euro-membership but not the hardware or will to stand to? Surely not?

You can easily see Spain's point...it's the equivalent of them occupying a good chunk of Lands End and them claiming it's so they've got a better view of a strategic shipping channel and those naughty French...should we even still be there?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/67...altar-UK-Phillip-Hammond-Brexit-EU-referendum
 
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A total non-story. Flights in and out of Gib have always followed the same route in and out that avoids Spanish airspace and up until the very last moment, their territorial waters. The fact that a British Minister on board makes no difference whatsoever. This is just the Express attempting to do what it does best..talk utter anti-european b0llocks and ramp up a situation that in fact needs to be left to calm down.

I have flight planned flights in and out of there for over 15 years and NEVER planned over Spanish airspace once. I have only had one exception to this rule, when we planned a C130 medivac from Gib to the UK which had a patient with a head injury, so the flight had to be kept beneath 10'000ft. Planned and filed the standard route as normal, but on departure, and fair play to the Spanish on this - they gave the aircraft direct track to North Spanish coast without a problem.

Personally, If I was the controller on duty and heard that the utter bellend Phillip Hammond was on board - I would have sent him all over the sky and route him through as many storm cells as I could see on the radar.
 
Vim_Fuego said:
...should we even still be there?
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This question has been around long before the Brexit campaign, and in my mind it's the same answer for Gib as it is for the Falklands - they are British Commonwealth countries for as long as the residents of those tiny specs of land want to remain just so.

If the people of Gibraltar took a vote and decided that they'd rather fall under Spain's rule than their own, or that of the UK, I'd have no problem with that either.
 
I'm getting a bit sick of this Referendum campaign now. On the one hand we have Team Remain, whose entire campaign seems to be designed to scare as many people into voting to remain in the EU through such stories as this. Then you have Team Brexit, led by that utter buffoon Boris Johnson, who despite every opportunity still fail to make a convincing case to leave this bloated bureaucratic nightmare. Why Team Brexit didn't adopt Farage as their leader I will never know.

And why don't these morons publish actual facts and let the British people make an informed decision?
 
You can't seriouslly expect the Spaniards to follow the same standards that they want others to adopt - that wouldn't be very European, would it....
 
FOMz said:
It does make me laugh however that the Spanish make a big deal about Gibraltar.. but just across the straits there - they have a pieces of Morocco called Ceuta and Melilla that they refuse to hand back to Morocco...

Pot calling kettle - come in kettle...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melilla
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As well as Cueta and Melilla, the Spanish claim the uninhabited Parsley Island. About 10 years ago Moroccan troops landed on the Island which lies only about 250m off the Moroccan coast. The Guardia Civil went in to see what was going on and were forced to retreat at gunpoint. The Spanish then sent in commandos to seize the island while the Spanish Air Force provided air cover for the operation. The Moroccan forces surrendered without a shot being fired and were taken off the island which now remains uninhabited.

I believe Gib is a member of the EU as a special member state so I'm guessing the EU would protect it should the Spanish kick off.
 
Gib is now a member of FIFA so we can all rest without worrying:PDT_Xtremez_07:, because that great organisation will protect them.
 
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