Good Bye BA

Could this be the straw that finally breaks the camel's back?

To put it extremely simply: don't striking cabin crew realise that BA's planned cost saving measures are there to protect the company that employs them?

No cost saving measures, unable to continue to oerate as a business.
Unable to operate as a business means nolonger a viable company.
No company, no requirement for staff.
No requirement for staff, no jobs for cabin crew.

Still I'm sure they can always apply to Virgin were the salary will be hald of what they earned with BA. Thick b@stards.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10130274.stm

 

[foxvc10]

"Employment tribunals are skewed heavily in favour of the employer, hell, even if your wrongly dismissed you'll not get your job back. Not good news if you've got years of pension accrued"


Not having a dig but you try and get rid of some f**kwit whos complete crap at his job.

Unless you have a cast iron, gold plated reason the employer cant get rid of them without getting shafted by the current laws.

Ive been there, seen it done it, took me two years to get a case together and in the end the bloke dropped himself in it.
The fella I wanted rid of was "barrack room lawyer" type who knew the rules inside out. Got him on a theft from someones elses stuff...bang to rights, caught in the possesion etc. He had no come back at all.

If you dont do it by the rules you will have massive problems, massive pay out to the hurt poor little chappy. A company such as BA will have a massive legal team who will do everything correct..and they are checking the Unions legality on everything with a fine toothcomb by the looks of it.

 

[Kryten]

Having watched the developments over the weekend I fear that the Union has lost all credibility - the 11th hour plea by Union bosses for BA to reinstate the cabin crews travel perks in exchange for calling off the strike has done them absolutely no good in the public's eye whatsoever.

According to media reports, weekend talks to prevent today’s walkout were going well until Walsh realized that Derek Simpson, Unite’s joint general secretary, was sending ‘tweets’ of the progress on Twitter - what a total d**khead! Just goes to show that all they are interested in is BA's destruction - and after posting a £531M loss, can it be far behind?

 

[Tin basher]

And i ask once again, why should the lowest of the low have to take a cut in wages/conditions?

From the salary figures of other airlines (Virgin for example) posted in this thread BA staff are far from the lowest of the low. They appear to be amongst the highest paid for what they do. From what I have read BA have made no suggestion about cutting wages and the issue of cheap flight tickets depends on your view point. One man's "perk of the job" is anothers "essential working conditions". Anyway this could all become academic with loses posted of over £500m the "big pot of cash" the management allegedly have access to will be empty very soon.

 

[doc670]

BA crews

BA crews

I live near LHR and know a few BA staff from most areas of the business including a couple of TD's, and they all agree that BA has to cut costs. If the rest of the airline, including the engineering and ground staff, has already accepted and implemented this, the cabin crews have to follow suit. A CSD on the Tokyo Narita run can pocket nearly £1k extra per trip. Add in the rest of the crews' allowances and it can reach £10k per trip plus hotels etc. Can BA really sustain that 365 days a year ?
I flew out of T5 on a chartered 767 with nearly no cabin service during the last strike, but at least I got there. I'm flying out on Wednesday during this one, but this time its on a BA a/c with full service, thanks to the majority of cabin crew who are prepared to work. They can't afford to be unpaid for 20 days unlike their higher paid union bosses who are recommending they do just that.

 

[justintime129]

Good Bye BA

I lose all sympathy with the cabin staff when they come out saying they depend on free flights/reduced fares to get to work. How many cabin crew have moved abroad or distance away from their area of work cos of cheap fares/free tickets in the first place. Heres a novel answer, move nearer to work like the majority of us have to.

 

[he_who_dares_rodney]

I lose all sympathy with the cabin staff when they come out saying they depend on free flights/reduced fares to get to work. How many cabin crew have moved abroad or distance away from their area of work cos of cheap fares/free tickets in the first place. Heres a novel answer, move nearer to work like the majority of us have to.

Heard 2 interviews with cabin crew one night on 5 Live (I think)

One slamed the removal of her perks as she flies in from her house in Spain to do a 14 day Longhaul (B.A. class Sydney as 14 days) and then fly back to Spain

The other claimed Walsh was ruining life for her family as every Christmas she works on a longhaul trip and takes her Husband and kids with her so hey can have Christmas somewhere nice
Hardly two reasons to gain sympathy from everyone else

I knew an MT driver who was married to a B.A. trolley dolly
He used to turn up in places where the lads were on R & R from Dets in Saudi etc
He would stay in the crews hotel with her see some mates and fly back
Done it loads

 

[Rocket_Ronster]

Watching the picketers on yesterdays news, did anyone else see the placard declaring WW`s salary as being £743,000 ? While its probably the laziest bit of research on the subject, is there any justification for a "buisness leader" to be on £15k A WEEK, particularly when as all the posts on this thread indicate, the company is going down the pan ?

It also brings into question the £20M "transfer fee" of the new M&S boss drafted in from Morrisons. If young Mr Cameron can get by on £150k for running a country, why do these other chaps need substantially more ?

 

[Treehugger]

The BA staff, i.e. the workers, will end up being the casualties of this latest trade union action, just like they always are. The idiotic Socialist Worker set once again demonstrate their failure to face facts and realise that there is a recession on, and no one has any money to increase the worker's wages/perks to the levels demanded by the union voices.

I am all in favour of those on the 'shop floor' having measured and realistic representation in the form of a union, as it protects workers' rights, and is a necessary tempering influence against uncontrolled profiteering at the expense of the worker, a la 19th century industry.

This becomes more of a hindrance to them however, when some blinkered, ignorant, borderline commie starts blindly spouting rabid anti capitalist sentiment, instigating strikes, eventually forcing the company/industry into extinction. Now they've got NO jobs, nice one!

It's the same old story, another load of jobs sacrificed on the altar of deluded Billy Bragg-Scargill-esque socialism, where instead there should be a level headed union sensibly representing the needs of its members.

PS -It's true that the salaries of CEOs are obscene, and beyond the realms of greed, but these people always survive and move on to something else; destroying the company/industry via militant socialism harms these lot not a jot!

 

[duffman]

Watching the picketers on yesterdays news, did anyone else see the placard declaring WW`s salary as being £743,000 ? While its probably the laziest bit of research on the subject, is there any justification for a "buisness leader" to be on £15k A WEEK, particularly when as all the posts on this thread indicate, the company is going down the pan ?

It also brings into question the £20M "transfer fee" of the new M&S boss drafted in from Morrisons. If young Mr Cameron can get by on £150k for running a country, why do these other chaps need substantially more ?

They don't need the money(in the sense that they are staving), it's down to supply and demand as to why they get what they do.

 

[Tin basher]

Watching the picketers on yesterdays news, did anyone else see the placard declaring WW`s salary as being £743,000 ?

Alternatively - Did anyone see the placard declaring WW's annual salary to be approx 7 weeks wages for Frank Lampard/ Wayne Rooney et al

Gives the figure a different perspective I thinkDT_Xtremez_14:

Still an excessive amount of dosh for one bloke for one year mind you.

 

[he_who_dares_rodney]

Alternatively - Did anyone see the placard declaring WW's annual salary to be approx 7 weeks wages for Frank Lampard/ Wayne Rooney et al

Gives the figure a different perspective I thinkDT_Xtremez_14:

Still an excessive amount of dosh for one bloke for one year mind you.

But look what he's managing it's a big firm
It's the market rate he didn't award himself that amount, the board and shareholders aproved it
I think I'm correct in saying he didn't pick up his bonuses and has himself took a wage cut and freeze
If he breaks this strike and turn B.A. back into a profit making company there wil be many who say he's earned it

These guys don't get to the top just by turning up they've got there by putting the time in and doing the work

Woodley and Simpson will get there £120k a year and perks whether the strike fails or not

 

[Ex-Splitter and Proud]

Alternatively - Did anyone see the placard declaring WW's annual salary to be approx 7 weeks wages for Frank Lampard/ Wayne Rooney et al

Gives the figure a different perspective I thinkDT_Xtremez_14:

Still an excessive amount of dosh for one bloke for one year mind you.

Put it in another perspective:

• Willie Walsh paid £743K
• Jock Stirrup paid £250K

DT_Xtremez_42:

Who's worth the money?
DT_Xtremez_30: