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Halton Dipomas are they worth it?

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Gents,

I am out next year after serving nearly 32 years and exit as a FS. In preparing for my transition I am updating my CV and LinkedIn etc. I recently stumbled over some forms I have from the Airman's Command Sqn at Halton inviting me to apply for either a certificate or diploma in Management & Leadership. They cost (in 2012) around GBP 100.

What is peoples opinions are they worth it, are they recognized, what about internationally?

I appreciate any recommendations.
 
It depends on what line of work you plan on going into...

For me.. it's a CV filler.. nothing more. It has no bearing whatsoever on my current job or how I got it.
 
In some respect I would take a punt at the certificate or diploma. If working environments don't recognise service career at least you have a tool they will recognise straight away. If companies want you and your lengthy skills on offer they bite your hand. The translation of can be fuzzy when service certificates come into conflict with civilian in the past when I left in 1990 but I ma not sure if the RAF have made efforts to bridge this gap.
 
Gents,

I am out next year after serving nearly 32 years and exit as a FS. In preparing for my transition I am updating my CV and LinkedIn etc. I recently stumbled over some forms I have from the Airman's Command Sqn at Halton inviting me to apply for either a certificate or diploma in Management & Leadership. They cost (in 2012) around GBP 100.

What is peoples opinions are they worth it, are they recognized, what about internationally?

I appreciate any recommendations.

Take everything you can get your hands on, you will be suprised what will help you on your way.
After all that time in the forces you are in for the biggest shock of your life,
Good luck to you and yours, I wish you well in the future
 
I have a Cert Man from a Uni, which i still use as a CV stocking filler from time to time. I don't think it adds value unless you are below the age of 30.
 
"An eye opener" i can see (pun intended) but "institutionalised" and "biggest shock of your life"?

I'd like to think that 30yrs service and leaving at the rank of FS, they would have some mental capacity that the world outside the RAF is a different kettle of fish.

I'm fast approaching 30yrs and do not consider myself "instititionalised". But then again i spend most of my days dealing with external agencies.

Or am i just naive?
 
So retiring after 32 years with a lump sum and index-linked pension the size of a small mountain. At the age of 55ish, mortgage, overdraft, n'all that jazz should have faded away. The question is, 'Do you really need a job?'.
 
Had a CV passed to me today, Ex RAF SNCO I'm guessing as they'd included their IMLC as a course, it was littered with H&S, Training Experience and the dreaded LCGI.

Unfortunately the CV was all over the place, you couldn't really tell what the guy had done, wanted to do or could do so I sent it back for a refresh.

So are the cheque book quals worth it, if they add to a well formed resume they'll do you no harm, shot gum them at a piece of A4 and you've wasted your money.

Not everyone who reads your CV for the first time will be as helpful as me.

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"An eye opener" i can see (pun intended) but "institutionalised" and "biggest shock of your life"?

I'd like to think that 30yrs service and leaving at the rank of FS, they would have some mental capacity that the world outside the RAF is a different kettle of fish.

I'm fast approaching 30yrs and do not consider myself "instititionalised". But then again i spend most of my days dealing with external agencies.

Or am i just naive?

Found the civilians attitude to work and to people vastly different to what I was used in the forces,
Mind you I left in 1975, maybe it's changed now, maybe the forces have changed as well,
Over the years I have moved around, most of my long term friends are exforces,
{then again I might be a oddball }
 
So retiring after 32 years with a lump sum and index-linked pension the size of a small mountain. At the age of 55ish, mortgage, overdraft, n'all that jazz should have faded away. The question is, 'Do you really need a job?'.

Even if you throw in a divorce settlement for good measure, retirement IS still possible. I'm living proof of that!
 
Gents,

I am out next year after serving nearly 32 years and exit as a FS. In preparing for my transition I am updating my CV and LinkedIn etc. I recently stumbled over some forms I have from the Airman's Command Sqn at Halton inviting me to apply for either a certificate or diploma in Management & Leadership. They cost (in 2012) around GBP 100.

What is peoples opinions are they worth it, are they recognized, what about internationally?

I appreciate any recommendations.

Don't know what job you are looking for, but it might help you to let someone who doesn't know you to give your CV
a look see { just trying to help you a liitle }
 
Gents,

I am out next year after serving nearly 32 years and exit as a FS. In preparing for my transition I am updating my CV and LinkedIn etc. I recently stumbled over some forms I have from the Airman's Command Sqn at Halton inviting me to apply for either a certificate or diploma in Management & Leadership. They cost (in 2012) around GBP 100.

What is peoples opinions are they worth it, are they recognized, what about internationally?

I appreciate any recommendations.

Depending on how much (or little) has changed in the last four years, I'd expect they're inviting you to apply for an Institute of Leadership and Management (ILM) Level 4 (or possibly 5) Diploma in Management.

Between that and your service career you'll also be able to apply for at least full Membership of the ILM - MInstLM.


If your career plan is to go on to be a milkman then it will most like make zero difference. But if you're going somewhere more management related then both the qualification and the membership grade are fairly well recognised nationally and internationally.
 
People do like diplomas.

What's it worth? That largely depends on the subject and its relevance to the job applied for...and the interviewers view of it.

I'm one of those guys who don't have a diploma and my highest academic qualification is C&G Aeronautics (from Halton)
I have one other qualification, an EASA Part 66 Licence, but it is generally unused...just a badge really. A certificate of my past learning capability.

My career literally took off 17 years ago as I left the RAF after 24 years. I'm now on quite a substantial salary and I'm being head-hunted again, this time for a well known airline...as a quality manager - a directorial role.

What should be seen through your CV is:
Your work ethic
Your adaptability to new situations and standards
Your accuracy
Your innovation and
Your work rate.​

Good luck for your future - its a big step, but you should have big feet by now.
 
Try this lot. :PDT_Xtremez_31:

The Institution of Meetings Engineers

It has long been apparent that the arbitrary classification of engineers into Civil, Mechanical, Electrical etc., though well established, is no longer relevant. More engineers than ever are making their contributions to industrial development through the medium of meetings. It is on his performance at meetings that the ability of an engineer is judged. Therefore it is believed that, in accordance with modern practice, only one classification of engineers is required, namely meetings engineer. The Institution of Meetings Engineers has been formed to further the interests of the profession and to encourage the use of meetings engineering techniques in less progressive industries.

It has been proposed that the grades of membership within the Institution should be as follows:

Full Member. (M.I.Meet.E) - Candidates for admission to the institution as a full member must have been employed as a Senior Meetings Engineer for at least five years. In that capacity they must be attending at least six meetings a week and serving as chairman of at least four. They must satisfy the Council of the Institution that not more than ten per cent of the meetings at which they have officiated have made any decisions. In addition a candidate must convince the examiners that he is competent to disrupt meetings using any two of the following techniques; temporary absence, personal reminiscence, or total irrelevance.

Associate Member (A.M.I.Meet.E) - candidates for this class of membership must be employed as Assistant or Junior Meetings Engineers. In the course of their duties they must be attending at least three meetings a week, not more than one such attendance being in a part-time capacity. They must take part in a practical examination at which they must convince the Council of the Institution that they are capable of producing a set of minutes that bears no resemblance whatsoever to the proceedings of the meeting.

Corporate Member - This grade of membership is offered to companies which actively encourage the practice of meetings engineering. All companies registered in the United Kingdom automatically qualify.

Affiliate - It is appreciated by the Council that large numbers of engineers, although prevented from becoming full members or Associate Members of the Institution by reason of the stringent qualifications requred, nevertheless have occasion to apply meetings engineering techniques. Hence Exhibition, Conference, Discussion, or Symposium Engineers qualify as an Affiliate.

B. Alder-Dash: .................. President

B. Allsup: ...........................Secretary
 
Gents,

I am out next year after serving nearly 32 years and exit as a FS. In preparing for my transition I am updating my CV and LinkedIn etc. I recently stumbled over some forms I have from the Airman's Command Sqn at Halton inviting me to apply for either a certificate or diploma in Management & Leadership. They cost (in 2012) around GBP 100.

What is peoples opinions are they worth it, are they recognized, what about internationally?

I appreciate any recommendations.

I have the "free stuff" (Level 4 cert etc) from Halton, inc the LCGI award. I was wondering if these are actually the full award, or if something else needs to be done.
 
I am an ex fs MT and ejected at 30 years. Not been out of work since I left, wages are lower and the pension takes me into 40 per cent tax by quite a way, so I don't look for overtime etc and I can work at my pace. Main difference I have found is there's not a lot of team ethic, lots of moaning and work place politics, and bosses keen to crack the whip to get that bit more out of you

thinking about it ! It's just the same but not in uniform, but whatever job is what you make of it I suppose.

as for the raf qualifications, I found they are OK as a cv filler but that's it. Employers on the whole seem to go for competency based interviews and want to know what you can do for them, how you do it and what results they can expect for you.

Emphasis on the mangerialskills and manager of, as opposed to SNCO IC if they don't understand it, it's quickly binned !

good luck for the future !
 
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