Harassed females

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4744268/Female-soldiers-victim-sex-attacks-twice-WEEK.html

Alleged events happened at Mt Alice 2001 with the usual Journo errors soldiers not airmen or women, "trainees" and "recruits" serving in the Falklands etc. but still not a good thing.

if you scroll all the way down and read some of the comments made by readers this one stands out as being particularly unhelpful
"Anyone that's been to boarding school has seen this kind of behaviour"

 

[E E E E E E E E AR]

Horrific behaviour.

I read this this morning and didn't realise they posted women to Mountain Sites at all? The four week thing is also a bit strange? Poor journalism perhaps?

 

[230Tiger]

Strange how she didn't seem that bothered until she became an "actress and writer"!

Pretty standard behaviour down south, the pongos were always stripping off (including the females!!) in the bars, people drinking pints of pi55 and sick etc, nobody even batted an eyelid!

Also, the story is a bit mixed up - a 4 week posting to Mt Alice? ...with all the other "trainees"?

 

[E E E E E E E E AR]

Strange how she didn't seem that bothered until she became an "actress and writer"!

She made a formal complaint about it at the time.

 

[mad_collie]

Horrific behaviour.

I read this this morning and didn't realise they posted women to Mountain Sites at all? The four week thing is also a bit strange? Poor journalism perhaps?

They've had women at the mountain sites for quite a while (and they still are). Mountain site initiations and weekly beer calls have always been a bit close to the knuckle.

 

[E E E E E E E E AR]

They've had women at the mountain sites for quite a while (and they still are).

Thanks! New thing every day and all that!

 

[ninjarabbi]

Thanks! New thing every day and all that!

You forgot to hold up your 'sarcasm' sign again.........DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[E E E E E E E E AR]

You forgot to hold up your 'sarcasm' sign again.........DT_Xtremez_30:

Ha ha ha, I was being sincere!

 

[timbo_66]

From my one tour in the Falklands in the late 90s, I seem to remember the Mountain Sites having combined messing and bar facilities for officers / Seniors and Juniors. Presumably nothing much had changed by 2001 when this happened.
Despite the sensationalism of the article from the Daily Fail; the question remains, where were the senior and commissioned ranks when this went on? Even in those slightly less enlightened days, surely one of them must have seen the potential for a **** storm brewing when you have virtually naked men prancing around and man handling female members (or other male members) of the RAF??
Sounds like a break down in common sense to me, and those who were involved should have realised it went way beyond "high jinx" and put a stop to it at the time....

 

[Oldstacker]

I did a tour at Alice in '93/4. The beer calls and initiation ceremonies then were not particularly near the knuckle and despite the isolation and a certain 'laissez faire' attitude to discipline in certain areas there was nothing in my time there that came anywhere close to this.

I came out in '99 and even by then behaviours and attitudes in terms of bullying and treatment of younger and female personnel that might once have been more prevalent were being frowned on and actively clamped down on. That this was allowed to happen in 2001 is a gross failure of leadership and supervision.

 

[Digzster]

I've done the FI a total of 5 dets in my time, all of them on mountain sites (I hated MPA with a vengeance). Females were on the sites on all tours and I never saw anything like the article in question.

Granted, your "welcome to the mountain" night could, these days be classed as an initiation ceremony however there were limits placed on what was and what was not acceptable. These limits were suggested by the QM and the ents committee and approved by the Detco. Alcohol was a part of all functions (as with anywhere in the FI) but in the main, mountain staff looked after their own.

Nobody was forced to drink. Anybody could have a downturn in their morale with the isolation of living and working there for 4 months so if a session was needed, the duty techs (sober on duty - cardinal rule) and their mates looked out for them. Any female staff on the mountain were especially looked out for.

Theme nights were a common thing giving the personnel tasks to do organizing, costume making and so on. It passed the time quicker and more sociably, next thing you knew it was your Gzome night and away you went again to let your kidneys recover.

My dets ranged from 2 striper techie to being the detco. As the latter, I would let an evening progress just keeping an eye on things. A quiet word in an ear worked wonders to calm anything as they all knew that if they p1ssed me off, I could do a lot worse to them e.g. close the bar.. If a night was going well, I had a switch wired to the bar clock (AKA the Detco's switch) which "stopped time" before official bar closing so as far as I was concerned it always closed at 23:00 DT_Xtremez_30: In the case of this article, the Detco was obviously lacking in either backbone or out of their depth and I'm surprised that the mountain SNCO's didn't front up.

 

[SAXAVORDIAN]

If I remember rightly Mt Kent during 1987 had "Head the Bell" on drinking sessions while I was at RO3 Stanley before going to Hillcove. But while doing the on stints at MPA for the odd weeks 87 and 90 the hairdressers were running a Brothel ledgy.DT_Xtremez_35:

 

[norfolkred1]

I did 2 tours at Kent in 86 and 92, yes there were initiations going on but they were optional. As stated you did not have to take part or drink but it would be a long 4 month tour if you sat in your cell for the entire det. The longest part of my Dets were the 24 hours sat at MPA and 38 Facility is another story

 

[Stevienics]

Did a few years and left to become a Journo. Managed to crowbar in mention of "Recruit" even though no such eventuality was possible.Sort of answers itself , doesn't it?

 

[vim_fuego]

Even I thought the 'welcome' nights at MPA were harsh and I'm less than PC. At another non-inclusionist sect if a fit burd (<20 stone all up) turned up if she wasn't locked in the stocks backwards 'pants on heed' we could all class ourselves as gayers....

 

[MAINJAFAD]

If I remember rightly Mt Kent during 1987 had "Head the Bell" on drinking sessions while I was at RO3 Stanley before going to Hillcove. But while doing the on stints at MPA for the odd weeks 87 and 90 the hairdressers were running a Brothel ledgy.DT_Xtremez_35:

Yep, there was. Died in 1988 when a disgruntled C/T shopped them to bosses at MPA.

 

[MAINJAFAD]

I've done the FI a total of 5 dets in my time, all of them on mountain sites (I hated MPA with a vengeance). Females were on the sites on all tours and I never saw anything like the article in question.

Granted, your "welcome to the mountain" night could, these days be classed as an initiation ceremony however there were limits placed on what was and what was not acceptable. These limits were suggested by the QM and the ents committee and approved by the Detco. Alcohol was a part of all functions (as with anywhere in the FI) but in the main, mountain staff looked after their own.

Nobody was forced to drink. Anybody could have a downturn in their morale with the isolation of living and working there for 4 months so if a session was needed, the duty techs (sober on duty - cardinal rule) and their mates looked out for them. Any female staff on the mountain were especially looked out for.

Theme nights were a common thing giving the personnel tasks to do organizing, costume making and so on. It passed the time quicker and more sociably, next thing you knew it was your Gzome night and away you went again to let your kidneys recover.

My dets ranged from 2 striper techie to being the detco. As the latter, I would let an evening progress just keeping an eye on things. A quiet word in an ear worked wonders to calm anything as they all knew that if they p1ssed me off, I could do a lot worse to them e.g. close the bar.. If a night was going well, I had a switch wired to the bar clock (AKA the Detco's switch) which "stopped time" before official bar closing so as far as I was concerned it always closed at 23:00 DT_Xtremez_30: In the case of this article, the Detco was obviously lacking in either backbone or out of their depth and I'm surprised that the mountain SNCO's didn't front up.

Or of course, they ended up with three SNCO sex pests on the mountain at the same time and it was they were actually driving the whole thing. P.S. I know two female scopies that are defending the girl to the hilt on a unit FB page and that she told them the story of what happened at Alice back in 2001.

 

[Stevienics]

Or of course, they ended up with three SNCO sex pests on the mountain at the same time and it was they were actually driving the whole thing. P.S. I know two female scopies that are defending the girl to the hilt on a unit FB page and that she told them the story of what happened at Alice back in 2001.

In which case, I stand fully corrected

 

[MAINJAFAD]

In which case, I stand fully corrected

Its actually been out for a couple of years, Channel 4 covered it back in 2015 and the video evidence is damming as you will see in the youtube clip.

 

[Downsizer]

Worked with a female scopie recently who point blank refused to go back to a mountain site after what happened last time she was there. Did 4 months at MPA instead.