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HM Forces City & Guilds awarded degrees

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Got mine last year - equivalent to NVQ Level 6 - bargain. Does this mean I can have letters after my name now?

I also used it as an AIP.
 
I got a LCGI followed a year later by the GCGI before I left the Mob two years ago. I had to submit evidence of my Air Traffic Control Instructor A2 Grade and get approval from my Flt Cdr and Wg Cdr.

One point, it might say its worth an 'Honours Degree' but most Civvie Employers haven't a clue what an LCGI/GCGI means on your CV and I actually got asked at Interview what the qualification meant so it gives you a talking point to sell yourself.

If the MoD are now willing to pay for you to get the qualification then happy days, but I'd take the 'Hons Degree' bit with a pinch of salt!:PDT_Xtremez_31:
 
Got mine before starting my terminal. Joined ILM and got the letters MInstLM (Memeber of Institute of Leadership and Management).

When I got the job I have now the HR bloke said he was impressed with the City & Guilds and the post nominal letters but addmitted he didn't have a clue what they ment. Looks good though!
 
"Equivalent to an Honours degree" But it's not a degree because degrees are academic qualifications, so it must be a vocational qualification then:

"comparable to an award at level 6 on the National Qualification framework" but a quick search of the database tells me it's not actually on the NQF so it's not a recognised vocational qualification!

So what is it? I have one and I have no idea where it fits with my other quals or where it sits in my post noms! Experience has told me it's not recognised by The Open University or in fact any University that I can find; I talked to a guy at Northampton University who told me C&G would have to apply to them for it to be accredited, spoke to C&G who told me they were looking at how they could get wider recognition for the "award" (he was quick to point out it is not a qualification of any sort) it's not recognised by the IET - I'm a member and have asked, not recognised by CMI - I'm a member and have asked, neither is it recognised by CIPD, ILM, IFL or APM. I've asked!

So what is it other than an "award" from what was considered a prestigious Institution?
 
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chiefy said:
"Equivalent to an Honours degree" But it's not a degree because degrees are academic qualifications, so it must be a vocational qualification then:

[B]"comparable to an award at level 6 on the National Qualification framework"[/B] but a quick search of the database tells me it's not actually on the NQF so it's not a recognised vocational qualification!

So what is it? I have one and I have no idea where it fits with my other quals or where it sits in my post noms! Experience has told me it's not recognised by The Open University or in fact any University that I can find; I talked to a guy at Northampton University who told me C&G would have to apply to them for it to be accredited, spoke to C&G who told me they were looking at how they could get wider recognition for the "award" (he was quick to point out it is not a qualification of any sort) it's not recognised by the IET - I'm a member and have asked, not recognised by CMI - I'm a member and have asked, neither is it recognised by CIPD, ILM, IFL or APM. I've asked!

So what is it other than an "award" from what was considered a prestigious Institution?
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Page 26 of "Courses For Forces" Winter 08 has NQF structure table in it. It puts Graduate certificates/diplomas in NQF Level 6. NQF Level 5 is equivilent to NVQ 4, NQF Level 7 is equivilent to NVQ Level 5. So is a GCGI then an NVQ 4.5?
 
billy bollox said:
Page 26 of "Courses For Forces" Winter 08 has NQF structure table in it. It puts Graduate certificates/diplomas in NQF Level 6. NQF Level 5 is equivilent to NVQ 4, NQF Level 7 is equivilent to NVQ Level 5. So is a GCGI then an NVQ 4.5?
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It's not an NVQ anything, what they are saying is that if it was registered with the Qualification & Curriculum Authority on the NQF then they think it would be at NQF level 6 (but they haven't so it isn't)

Be wary about drawing comparisons across from NVQ to NQF, what was NVQ level 4 now encompasses level 4-6 on the NQF and an NVQ at Level 5 could be at either level 7 or 8 of the NQF. On top of that the FHQ (Framework for Higher Education) which is often shown alongside the NQF hasn't been fully agreed and in any case should not be read as meaning the same thing ie they are academic qualifications which are at broadly the same intellectual level as....... Never mind it will all make sense when the new framework QCF (Qualification and Credit Framework is fully implemented) :PDT_Xtremez_15:
 
This made me laugh.

From the link:

“It should be noted that the City & Guilds Senior Awards are a form of accreditation which recognize the abilities that the recipient already possesses. They are, however, distinct from qualifications which are gained following a period of learning or training.”

. . . and then went on to say:

“The Graduateship award is at a middle management skills level. The City & Guilds Institute have provided a notional quotient of the Graduateship's value, deeming it to be comparable to graduate level.”

I can see how the semantics from the second paragraph may lead people to believe that they have something that is equivalent/comparable to a degree. All they are really saying IMO is that they would expect a manager at this level to have a degree. “notional quotient” - don’t you just love the convoluted English!
 
Mickwreay said:
Can these awards be used as an AIP?
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Probably depends on trade but I'm pretty sure TG 1/2 can't as it has been stopped by the trade sponsor. I believe other trades can though.

I believe this disparity has been challenged but the TG 1/2 sponsors are taking the view that it's basically pay per qualification. I can't help seeing their point of view, you pays you money and away you go.
 
glasses said:
Probably depends on trade but I'm pretty sure TG 1/2 can't as it has been stopped by the trade sponsor. I believe other trades can though.

I believe this disparity has been challenged but the TG 1/2 sponsors are taking the view that it's basically pay per qualification. I can't help seeing their point of view, you pays you money and away you go.
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Worth an ask!
 
If you have it, make sure that somewhere in your CV you give it the full name. That way when the likes of Monster and Reed etc., who use keyword searches in their trawl of electronic CVs for a vacancy, it will ping the word 'graduate' and then bring you up as a 'possible' for jobs you may not have been considered for without the word.

The rest of course is up to you! I am the only geezer in our office without any formal qualifications but I am ace at interview and effectively blagged it, I am a bit lost at times but google is my friend!

This tip was given to me by a recruitment specialist for a large agency make of it what you will!

Jimps
 
PingDit said:
Imperial College London seen to think they're fairly handy....

http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/engineering/about/alumni/cgca/acgi
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From the link:

"The award [MGCI] is available to all Imperial graduates who have gone on to gain Chartered Engineer status: shortly we will also unveil plans for an MCGI for other Chartered professionals from Imperial."

Very handy especially as you don't have repeat fees as you do with other professional institutions. However the military requirement for MGCI - 2 years as a WO/Master aircrew, suggests they may be trying to sign up any old rif raf as well to swell the ranks. Institutions such as the IET (originally IEE/IEIE) tend to be selective, requiring all applicants to go through one of a few available routes to membership which are quite stringent. I would encourage military personnel to take advantage of the award, but looking at the application form, which amounts to handing over some cash after filling in a few lines on one side of A4 doesn't give me a lot of confidence in it.
 
glasses said:
Probably depends on trade but I'm pretty sure TG 1/2 can't as it has been stopped by the trade sponsor. I believe other trades can though.

I believe this disparity has been challenged but the TG 1/2 sponsors are taking the view that it's basically pay per qualification. I can't help seeing their point of view, you pays you money and away you go.
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Trade Group 4 except it for an AIP, took mine last year. :PDT_Xtremez_30:
 
glasses said:
Probably depends on trade but I'm pretty sure TG 1/2 can't as it has been stopped by the trade sponsor. I believe other trades can though.

I believe this disparity has been challenged but the TG 1/2 sponsors are taking the view that it's basically pay per qualification. I can't help seeing their point of view, you pays you money and away you go.
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Check out JSP 754. Q-PI-C or Q-PI-D

Got Q-PI-C for LCGI on production of certificate
 
billy bollox said:
Check out JSP 754. Q-PI-C or Q-PI-D

Got Q-PI-C for LCGI on production of certificate
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What's Q-PI-C & D? Is that AIP's? I did research it and found that for TG 1&2 it was never going to happen. Furthermore, there is a clause in JSP that covers AIP's that says (words to the effect) that any qualification gained through Service means etc can not be used for as an AIP. That would stop LCGI I think?

What trade group are you?
 
glasses said:
Furthermore, there is a clause in JSP that covers AIP's that says (words to the effect) that any qualification gained through Service means etc can not be used for as an AIP.
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How come I was able to use my btec from my fitters course for an AIP when I got my tapes then?
 
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