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Now I may be wrong on my timing, but the series of events reported here seemed to coincide with the closure of 16MU and the 'harmonising' of the storage depots. I had the pleasure of visiting and teaching most of DSDA warehouses in the country, the benefits of CT and stock management systems. The quality of employees, most of whom were on temp contracts from agencies, was poor. They had no training, or were given OTJ by complete biffs who themselves didn't understand. As for CT training, I taught a fair few courses to the army, and they're understanding, of what was essentially their system originally, was w4nk. the RAF CT course was populated by all ranks, the army was rank driven what modules you could complete. That's army mentality for you. they won't change, and they'll fight change.
As for misuse of airfreight space and demand priority creap, what was that 4 drawer cabinet used for ? Was it for the security of classified docs in theatre or hard drives, or some other task. An clever unreported point.

Why have I wasted 5 minutes responding to that broadcast. Time better spent than listening to that mis-story.
 
The whole programme is riddled with duff gen.

The man from the union who thinks stackers remember where they located items etc.

DSDA, as was, have a lot to answer for, not that it stopped the board ticking all the self created boxes and receiving their bonuses.

Driven by people who were totally clueless as to the needs of the military. Those people, are, in the main responsible for this financial black hole. How did they manage to lose two Hercules wings? Perhaps one of those contractors slipped out of the gate with them while no one was looking.

Those sort of mistakes are the result of slipshod work practices and poor leadership.
 
i had the pleasure so to speak of going round driffield with a pair of bolt croppers opening all the old crash bays next to the airfield when everything was being closed up and moved upto staxton wold (which went remote not too much later). Talk about things you find !!

several thosand litres of Avgas left in "disused" BFI's - not used in thirty years anyway. one was were people used to have lunch and a fag !!

And two Landrovers one with 4k on the clock the other with 3k, both old yellow petrol sat in crash bays locked away and no one knew they were there, both probably from the 60's.

Got no doubt its not much different now, all the people leaving, all the units, regiments and ships going at a pace thats pretty breathtaking.

Theres probably bays, hangars, boats et all sat with "unnacounted" for equipment. Not to mention some of the sheds at Lyneham, St athan etc
 
When handing/shutting down a unit you would be amazed what you find. Let's just say that things come out of the wood work as people try and get rid of absoutly everything. The stuff that was brought in to stores when we were handing over Aldergrove was outrageous. Everything from Sat Nav's to Flat screen tellys. Some how people had managed to buy this stuff off their budget, and then they were panicking as it had to be accounted for, before being either handed over or sent to another unit(which they happened to be going to).
 
but...... the programme was accurate in respect of the chronic under investment over many years in Logs IS and the fact that way too many systems exist (especially in the land world) and the interfaces between them all are not designed to support modern agile, joint expeditionary ops. Much of that will be improved as MJDI rolls out over the next couple of years to the Maritime and Land worlds.
 
Military Supply

Military Supply

I agree with Oldstacker, most are looking in the weeds of the program and not stepping back and looking at the larger picture of the Warrior class i.e. the Pilots, Ship commanders and combat regiment Lt Cols and above not listening to their Logisticians. For years Logistics and Supply have not been looked on as sexy and in the front line. More battles have been lost to poor supply chains than you can shake a stick at.
Years ago military supply especially the RAF was years ahead of the Civilian world, and those old enough to remember the opening of the DAC at Stafford will remember visit from civilian companies looking at the way we did our business. Over the last 15 years supply has been going down the drain as far as investment in personnel and systems, while out in the civilian world Logistics is king of the castle get it wrong and profits disappear. My company distributes model aircraft throughout the UK and Europe, and my customers have their goods with 24 hours or next working day and 3 days in Europe for not a lot of money spent on logistics. Our main containers coming out of Hong Kong are on a 26 day system from goods leaving the factory in China, to loading in HK, then time on the ship to clearing port in the UK to delivery at my warehouse. Vary rarely does it fail and we know where every parcel is and where the containers are at anytime. Our supply chain is our most important part of our business, you can sell all day, but if you cannot deliver on time you will lose customers and quick.
The bottom line is you treat suppliers and the supply net work like sh*t or a 2nd class citizen what do you expect.
For all you Suppliers out there opportunities in the logistics world are out there all it takes is using your common sense, you don’t need degrees just show you can think in a logical way.
 
Got it in one Scafite. When the AEI 1010 was purchased from Manchester Uni in the 60s, companies such as M&S looked at our systems in awe and with envy.

Those of the supply persuasion who were in Germany in the early 90s will remember the Army, on assuming responsibility for MQs, transferring everything from USAS onto manual ledgers.

Anyone who has had dealings with units such as Wattisham, or Detmold in bygone days will be fully acquainted with the frustration of dealing with QMs staff. The fault does not lie with the individuals, more their lords and masters, who are still sat in the stone age of logistics.

The imposition of DSDA, and some of their dubious practices on the forces has only impeded RAF logisticians in their efforts to get everything to the right place at the right time and in the right quantity.

Add to this Resource Account Budgeting and the effect this had on (I)PTs and their purchasing and disposal of equipment.

Finally, attempts at going purple have resulted in the other two services dragging the RAF back to their level, rather than them attempting to attain the light blue standard.

The last twenty years with "Peace dividend", "Options for change", and everything else along the way, has resulted in what was a Rolls Royce being dismantled and replaced with a go kart.

Yes. I have had the pleasure of working with both Army and RN, great guys but lousy systems.
 
Fellow Stackers, let me give you an insight as to what's happening with the new MJDI. The Navy&RAF are all over it like a tramp on chips and are embracing it with open arms, that was until the Army put their ten pence worth in. It has now gone from a easy to use stores system to a very complicated stores system. Let me give you a few examples:

1. BR has now gone we cannont scrap anything you have to bring it back E0 and issue it off to a contractor creating an auditable voucher.

2. AinU's(Inventories) you can now have consuming and non-comsuming. So if you issue c-stores to a non-consuming AinU it will stay in AinU(INV), and the only way of getting rid of them is to bring them back E0 and issue to a contractor as scap, creating an auditable voucher. Don't worry Sup Pol has already been made aware and will telling us not to use those types of AinU.

3. When looking to rtn a U/S item which is repman controlled you cannot bring back any ser no, only the one the computer is expecting back. So should J/T bloggs give you a different ser no back you will have to do 2 auditable docs to change that. That's right you do not have a blank ser no filed when returning items back from AinU(INV).


There is a lot more going on than this but that is a small taster of what is to come. The Army have actully relised they have made some stupid changes but has they have now been implimented it will cost too much money to change them. So we are all stuck with their cock ups. And trust me there is a lot more.
 
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DSDA - not the sharpest chisel

DSDA - not the sharpest chisel

The Dulmen "Black hole" was entirely of DSDA's own making.

The items involved had no usage on them for more than 2 years, and the only had assets at 16MU.

DSDA, in full "bodge it and scarper" mode decided that rather than do "proper" transactions to move the items, they'd just strike them off, and bring them on again once they were at dulmen.

What the dullards forgot, is that when SCCS has a stock number with no reason to be kept it does a daily "tidy up" and deletes "redundant" number (no stock, no dues, no usage).

So when the stock got to dulmen, the nsn didnt exist....

Wonder what their villages are doing while they are working at bicester and donnington?



DNR/DNN.......Discuss said:
Now I may be wrong on my timing, but the series of events reported here seemed to coincide with the closure of 16MU and the 'harmonising' of the storage depots. I had the pleasure of visiting and teaching most of DSDA warehouses in the country, the benefits of CT and stock management systems. The quality of employees, most of whom were on temp contracts from agencies, was poor. They had no training, or were given OTJ by complete biffs who themselves didn't understand. As for CT training, I taught a fair few courses to the army, and they're understanding, of what was essentially their system originally, was w4nk. the RAF CT course was populated by all ranks, the army was rank driven what modules you could complete. That's army mentality for you. they won't change, and they'll fight change.
As for misuse of airfreight space and demand priority creap, what was that 4 drawer cabinet used for ? Was it for the security of classified docs in theatre or hard drives, or some other task. An clever unreported point.

Why have I wasted 5 minutes responding to that broadcast. Time better spent than listening to that mis-story.
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dkh51250 said:
Finally, attempts at going purple have resulted in the other two services dragging the RAF back to their level, rather than them attempting to attain the light blue standard.
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It's not just in the supply world either, the new JAMES system coming in to MT at the moment is going to be used across all three Services to manage major items , including things like weapons. In GEF they have been using a system for years called GEMS that accounts for all the GSE owned by the RAF and Navy (the Army have refused to use it). When JAMES replaces it we have already been told it will not have all the usable options available to GEMS at the moment. Despite this because it's Army driven that is the system that is going to have to be used. GEMS is a proven system that would only have to be scaled up to do the job that JAMES is supposed to do.

JAMES is a system fraught with problems and more expensive that the better system it replaces. All because the Army don't believe that the RAF or RN can have something better than what they already have or want.
 
Plus of course, the paper trail for Dulmen could not be completed due to lack of external markings on items, and labels being lost in transit.

However, in a rather heated exchange with one of the DSDA board members , I was assured by him that everything ex Stafford had been counted by his staff as it departed.

He was a retired Army officer though and did not fully understand the folly of the DSDA operating methods.:mad:

It is now plain to see why the accounts cannot be signed off, and where some of the vanished billions went.
 
MJDI Disinformation

MJDI Disinformation

Hello Ulster, Newly arrived then?

1. Yes MatCon BR has gone. Didn't listen to the Radio 4 program about MOD's Lost Kit then. Most of this wasn't about materiel accounts, it was about financial accounting. You don't think the Public Accounts committee wanders round tech stores with a U61 do you? The use of BR to make problems "go away" has been a persistent accounting black hole since the MOD started having to show parliament where stuff goes.

The removal of "BR" was nothing at all to do with the Army, It was Defence Accounts who requested the removal of BR and the policy change was written by a Navy Lt Cdr in 2006. As for "issuing to a contractor" - complete twaddle. You are just required to do a proper write off (GSA or GUA - Yes, still the same transaction, same screen & same fields (with the addition od a reason for adjustment code) that you always did, but this time a proper transaction is written for the financiers, and use of the write-off powers can be properly controlled at a user level, as it is a separate transaction and not the "magic disapearing items fairy" at work.

2. Yes AinU can now be both consuming and non-consuming. However, no one is forcing you to use non-consuming, the default on creation is still "consuming", the way it always has been, and there are specific circumstances where this will be useful even at RAF units (e.g. PEP C Stores on AinU.)

3. Serial Numbers - Heard of BOWMAN? Ever wondered why we (the RAF) can't find the serial numbers? (That's because we cannot tell what serial numbers are on an AinU, only those that were issued to an AinU, which ain't the same thing at all.) know what ITAR is (Look It Up) and where a large portion of our weapons come from?

Yes I know this will be a pain in the arse, but we had to bite the bullet to meet the government requirements (again nothing to do with the army). Also, where you are issuing a serialised spare part for embodiment you can auto-GUA as part of the demand. Unfortunately we could not get an Auto RIU because there wasn't a user requirement for it - Next time ask.

Suggest you speak to some of us light blue who have been around for more than 5 minutes to understand why things might be like they are rather, than letting the green machine wind you up and set you running when there are plenty of other things to blame them for, like **** deployments in places with no hotels and no rates.......



UlsterExile said:
Fellow Stackers, let me give you an insight as to what's happening with the new MJDI. The Navy&RAF are all over it like a tramp on chips and are embracing it with open arms, that was until the Army put their ten pence worth in. It has now gone from a easy to use stores system to a very complicated stores system. Let me give you a few examples:

1. BR has now gone we cannont scrap anything you have to bring it back E0 and issue it off to a contractor creating an auditable voucher.

2. AinU's(Inventories) you can now have consuming and non-comsuming. So if you issue c-stores to a non-consuming AinU it will stay in AinU(INV), and the only way of getting rid of them is to bring them back E0 and issue to a contractor as scap, creating an auditable voucher. Don't worry Sup Pol has already been made aware and will telling us not to use those types of AinU.

3. When looking to rtn a U/S item which is repman controlled you cannot bring back any ser no, only the one the computer is expecting back. So should J/T bloggs give you a different ser no back you will have to do 2 auditable docs to change that. That's right you do not have a blank ser no filed when returning items back from AinU(INV).


There is a lot more going on than this but that is a small taster of what is to come. The Army have actully relised they have made some stupid changes but has they have now been implimented it will cost too much money to change them. So we are all stuck with their cock ups. And trust me there is a lot more.
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