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I've been asked to change my contract?

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Hi All,

I have a bit of a problem. I'm currently approaching my final month in Phase 2 training.

Approximately 6 years ago I spent around 4 months in the RAF. Not a long time, I know.
However, because of this previous service I was told that my previous service would be taken into account and that I would not have a reserve period (as I've already spent it) and that I would sign to a slightly smaller contract - approximately 8 and a half years.

However, I should have been receiving LAC pay 2 and a half months ago. But I have not as apparently there were errors in the system, now it is saying JPA will not recognise my previous service - despite me being told all the way through Halton that I need to fill out the paperwork to action it (which I did).

Now, on Friday, I have been handed a new contract with a covering letter saying there was a mistake and that I should have signed up for a full 9 years with a further 6 years reserve. And I can only see that this why it took them so long to deny me the LAC pay which I thought I was supposed to be receiving.

I have two options - 1) do not accept and continue with my current contract. 2) - accept and have the new contract.

I'm not too sure which way to go with this, it's only a few extra months on the end of my term, plus the 6 reserve, but why are they giving me an option not to accept?

Not too sure what it all means and the Admin bod that I've been in touch with just seems very keen for me to accept and sign...

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks!
 
You don't have a contract. You are enlisted under the terms of the Royal Air Force Terms of Service Regulations a statutory instrument passed by parliament. (unless you're a commissioned officer who is commissioned under the Royal Perogative).
 
Climebear said:
You don't have a contract. You are enlisted under the terms of the Royal Air Force Terms of Service Regulations a statutory instrument passed by parliament. (unless you're a commissioned officer who is commissioned under the Royal Perogative).
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OP, hopefully someone will be along to help constructively, unlike the person above.
 
But more seriously. It is important to realise that we're not on contracts as it means that contract law doesn't apply to our engagements.

From that viewpoint, do you have anything in writing that outlined the terms of the engagement you re-enlisted on?
 
Contract or not - if the RAF are going to change it for any single reason - check that no other changes are made at the same time and without notice to you.

If anyone says "that's how the new contracts are now" then don't sign it. It is your right to make them honour your original terms of engagement and change only that single issue.

Dont be baffled by bulshifters who will try to persuade you otherwise.

Make sure you dont slip into something you havent already accepted..

Of course they may pay you for the re-attestation of your service agreement....NOT!
 
I hope you are not being asked to do this purely for JPA reasons. You need to get advice from your training hierarchy to try and get to the bottom of this and find the repercussions of either option.

I wouldn't sign unless it was in my interest.
 
I really can't see what your problem is here... Its 6 months FFS..... Ever thought you were given duff gen about this 8 1/2 year thing at the begining? Do you want to be in the RAF or not? So you've got previous service... Why should that make ANY difference now?

Drink a large cup of man the fcuk up, sign on the dotted line and stop bleating...
 
FOMz said:
I really can't see what your problem is here... Its 6 months FFS..... Ever thought you were given duff gen about this 8 1/2 year thing at the begining? Do you want to be in the RAF or not? So you've got previous service... Why should that make ANY difference now?

Drink a large cup of man the fcuk up, sign on the dotted line and stop bleating...
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I'm not sure the OP's main problem is the 6 months extension, rather the additional 6 years reserve commitment.
 
Oh FFS.... Someone pease show me some stats of how many people and by trade have been called back in their reserve service period in the last 10 years then....
 
FOMz said:
Oh FFS.... Someone pease show me some stats of how many people and by trade have been called back in their reserve service period in the last 10 years then....
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Since it's your argument, why don't you? While you're at it, consider the next 10 years and the likelihood of increased reliance on reserve forces (to be announced in April).

Still, the OP could just go down the path of least resistance, man/shut the fcuk up and sign. Never mind the possible impact on a second career after he's left.

OP, go and see your training management chain for advice and get them to engage admin so you fully understand the implications of both options and make an informed decision.
 
First post as this has struck a nerve regarding my old job.

The admin staff at Halton go by the letter you received from Cranwell when activating your JPA record.

As a recruit that has not completed phase two training previously you would normally be recruited on NERP with an amended IBD date so you LAC pay would start after 6 months total reckonable service. (L002)

This should also make your new engagement 9 years minus any previous reckonable service.

LAC pay does not start for most recruit until completion of RTS and 6 months total service unless the letter says otherwise (JSP 754 Pay Bars, unsure of the correct chapter)

Hope I have helped and you sort the problem out, might be a bit out of date as I moved from RPSF last year and I am doing this from memory as it's a Sunday.

PM me if you want a good contact that will have all the up to date gen regarding contracts and the JPA activation policy at RPSF.

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I have had a few these come across my desk in the past week. All the RAF are doing is acknowledging that you were offered wrong terms of service when you reenlisted and they are asking if you would like this corrected; hence the offer to sign on for a few extra months. However, as you reenlisted on the terms offered in good faith, they are, exceptionally, allowing you to choose to remain on those terms.Thats it. No hidden agenda or anything.Hope this helps
 
Sign on for the full 9, best bet with the current job situation in this country. Better to have a job, than none at all.
 
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Thanks for all the constructive replies.

My concern has not been about having to serve a "few extra months". Its more about seeing if my pension details change, anything else within the contract. All I received was an A4 piece of paper with very little extra input from the admin bod trying to get me to sign.

I don't see a problem with signing it, I just assume I'm going to have to wait an extra 4 months before receiving LAC pay as by signing it, I'm guessing I am wiping any previous "recognisable service" regardless of how much/little it was.
 
Signing it won't affect your pay in anyway shape or form, you should get LAC pay after 6 months reckonable service regardless of how long you sign on for, the 4 months previous service will always count towards reckonable service for your pay.

As for your pension, under the current rules your previous service would count towards it, however pension are all set to change as of Apr 2015 so there's no point in worrying about it until the details of the new scheme is released.
 
Not quite right there Shiny Waf, or FOMz. Under the current round of redundancies I work with one fella who will miss out on IP by about 3 weeks if made redundant. There is another who won't get an IP if he applied but will if made compulsory. Every single day counts right now and without any knowledge about what's coming next it would be prudent to plan as if the pension rights stay the same as they are the only ones in existance right now. Planning for some sort of etherial made up pension is impossible.
 
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