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Greeting e-Goaters :PDT_Xtremez_14:

I was always under the impression that you could be on duty or on leave, not both at the same time. I'm looking for the definitive article, be it QR, JSP or AP telling me that in plain old b&w.

Any advice gratefully accepted! :PDT_Xtremez_30:
 
These always come down to do what your told, because if your line management have caved in your only option is a service complaint.

What I would say is that if this ever got to an employment tribunal there's a good chance of success, although you'd find your career over pretty sharpish.
 
Downsizer said:
Let me guess, on duty over the Xmas grant but "they" want you to put in a leave pass?
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How very astute, DS :-)

Cheers, Gray. Just reading through them now, but as you say there never did seem to be a definitive answer. Lots of "HoE is resposnsible for etc..." e.g. if Harry Staish says so, then it's gonna happen....
 
Dilbert said:
How very astute, DS :-)

Cheers, Gray. Just reading through them now, but as you say there never did seem to be a definitive answer. Lots of "HoE is resposnsible for etc..." e.g. if Harry Staish says so, then it's gonna happen....
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In my personal experience, I took on the role as Duty Clerk for pretty much every Xmas or NY from 2003 to 2012 inclusive. This was at Colt, Cott & Witt, and I was never expected to submit a leave pass for any of the period I was on duty. I was also the duties co-ord during my time at Wittering (2011-2014), and again nobody from my Wing ever submitted a leave app for their period of duty. Even the Officers didn't submit leave for the days they were SDO!

I'm a mere civvy now, but honestly, the lengths people go to screw their people over really does astound me. Remember this phrase - PARITY OF TREATMENT.

Essentially, every member of the RAF should be treated the same over this issue, as you all enjoy the same leave entitlement. No unit should take a different approach to another, otherwise the CO could be held responsible if a Service Complaint was made citing that RAF X didn't whilst RAF Y did. In my time in, I heard of this cropping up at other units, but nobody ever confirmed that they had been forced to take leave whilst they were on duty.
 
Ex Tg3 said:
Appendix 36A to QR's. Para 1b is very black and white for this situation.
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Well found that man! At last I have something in black and white to throw back at the CoC when this issue raises it's ugly head.

Interestingly I didn't realise you are classed as off duty if you catch service transport (with MT driver) to go to/from work (para 3b). So if you are injured in a crash in that situation you aren't covered by the RAF. As we all know Personnel are forced to live in married quarters away from their unit and catch service transport to work, this doesn't seem right to me.
 
4everAD said:
Well found that man! At last I have something in black and white to throw back at the CoC when this issue raises it's ugly head.

Interestingly I didn't realise you are classed as off duty if you catch service transport (with MT driver) to go to/from work (para 3b). So if you are injured in a crash in that situation you aren't covered by the RAF. As we all know Personnel are forced to live in married quarters away from their unit and catch service transport to work, this doesn't seem right to me.
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I read that 3b being off duty doesn't count towards your duty hours, exactly the same as travelling to work in a private car.

Being injured in a Service vehicle whether on or off duty is a matter of insurance which JSP800 covers. All passengers are covered in a vehicle by insurance, however I believe that policy states that should a non-entitled/authorised passenger be injured the driver is liable, which is why dependants are not permitted to travel unless specifically authorised.
 
Ex Tg3 said:
which is why dependants are not permitted to travel unless specifically authorised.
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This came in handy when i was posted down to Waddo years ago to join the Mrs (mini mmj in tow) got SFA at Scampton but was told as we were not shift workers we had to get the service bus to work and therefor no mileage allowance .
i argued that our lad was in the Waddo childcare facility and as such could not go on the bus with us, the reply was "put him in childcare at Scampton" despite having no way to get there in an emergency if we used the service bus.
After a few phone calls it turned out the Scampton facility opened 15 mins after the bus left in the morning and closed 30 mins before it could get us home at night.

Took nearly 7 months to fight it but after a stellar argument from my then WO that i had put a bit of common sense forward in my argument i got my mileage paid and backdated.

A rarity that common sense prevailed. :PDT_Xtremez_30:
 
Well folks, now that the RAF Christmas Grant is underway, can anyone actually confirm that their unit has adopted a policy of forcing people to be on leave and duty at the same time, or was it just a case of some brain-fart management technique that was rapidly shot down by common sense and law?

Merry Christmas to all!
 
Hasn't happened this year at our mad joint Unit thankfully, though with all the other changes afoot (Cyprus working hours and imminent NEM pay announcement) it was probably overlooked!

Last year's debacle ref leave and duty over Xmas really opened my eyes to what good management is and how spineless people can become when they should be fighting stupid and blatantly wrong decisions.
 
How long have you got there left in that MAD place 4Ever???? And is it still JOINT with a capital A despite them not having a clue?
 
Well at least you have a reason to stay with the family in mind. Good luck, merry XMAS and a Happy New Year to you and all the RAF personnel there.
 
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