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Bears 5h1t in woods!!!! Yep...Incompetence; jobs-for-the-boys; nepotism; cutting the coal-face while maintaining lots of unnecessary management; Out-of-date promotion systems...and so on etc etc etc!!! And the latest faux-pas..AKA AJAX!!!
 
Boils down to the same old system turning the same old handle of employing people who are unqualified and without enough experience to carry out complex roles. Also too much ‘in-breeding’ ie people promoting their mates and surrounding themselves with people who won’t question their ineptitude. The stuff I’ve seen since leaving is eye-wateringly unbelievable yet very real.
 
Even the new people, inducted into any new system, are re-trained by the old people, and learn the “We do it this way” old system….that’s how it doesn’t work!

It’s the same for some new RAF techies…
 
Procurement have been at it for years, due to a lack of knowledge. The MOD want a dog and they get a cat with a modification.
They had a chance to buy an off the shelf mobile Radar back in 97 but no we will get British waste of space to build one. It was delivered with no running lights along the side so not road legal. I questioned it and they said they would do it for £20,000 extra, jokingly I said 'I'll just buy some right angle torches' to do the job. No doubt the MOD paid for it.
 
Spent time in a PT, its a joke and frankly scary!!!!!!. Eng Officers who think they know how to negotiate contracts and then move on in 2 years. There is a reason that top of the class lawyers get paid over six figures working for the likes of BAE and bottom of the class work for the MOD!!!!!!!!

We are the ones with the money and we could save billions but choose not to.
 
This ain't news, it's OLD's. The MOD are totally clueless at running contracts. Speaking from experience, any contractor with half an idea can screw the Simple Serpents and Service kn*bheads for £M's if some ar$e opens their mouth and says the wrong thing in a meeting. The MOD and government in general are incapable of running an orgy in a knocking shop
 
I have witnessed MODPE skipping many MOD standards to get the item 'they' want...money is never an object.
 
The Military want a dog, procurement source a Company to make them a cat with a mod and then charge the MOD to make it into a dog.
 
norfolkred1 said:
The Military want a dog, procurement source a Company to make them a cat with a mod and then charge the MOD to make it into a dog.
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Whilst there is some truth & justification in what has been said, it is not as clear cut as has been made out. The military may want a dog, but the army may want a vicious doberman, whilst air want a champion greyhound, and the navy want a Dachshund. Problem is, collectively only one dog can be afforded and we end up with a mongrel that pleases no-one..... DE&S sometimes have to referee that debate (I've been there...) and get the best mongrel they can.

It is, however, true that DE&S are not always best placed to referee that debate because it lacks the necessary experience and understanding of where & how the dog will be used and hence which bits of the mongrel are necessary and which bits are some *'s personal preference.
 
Oldstacker said:
Whilst there is some truth & justification in what has been said, it is not as clear cut as has been made out. The military may want a dog, but the army may want a vicious doberman, whilst air want a champion greyhound, and the navy want a Dachshund. Problem is, collectively only one dog can be afforded and we end up with a mongrel that pleases no-one..... DE&S sometimes have to referee that debate (I've been there...) and get the best mongrel they can.

It is, however, true that DE&S are not always best placed to referee that debate because it lacks the necessary experience and understanding of where & how the dog will be used and hence which bits of the mongrel are necessary and which bits are some *'s personal preference.
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And nobody realised the dog needed feeding every day so didn’t cost it into the contrac.
 
Oldstacker said:
Whilst there is some truth & justification in what has been said, it is not as clear cut as has been made out. The military may want a dog, but the army may want a vicious doberman, whilst air want a champion greyhound, and the navy want a Dachshund. Problem is, collectively only one dog can be afforded and we end up with a mongrel that pleases no-one..... DE&S sometimes have to referee that debate (I've been there...) and get the best mongrel they can.

It is, however, true that DE&S are not always best placed to referee that debate because it lacks the necessary experience and understanding of where & how the dog will be used and hence which bits of the mongrel are necessary and which bits are some *'s personal preference.
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That 'argument' doesn't work for an aircraft that the army or navy don't want or need...a bit like the RAF stating what destroyer they want...
 
Rigga said:
That 'argument' doesn't work for an aircraft that the army or navy don't want or need...a bit like the RAF stating what destroyer they want...
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I don't pretend my point answers all of the issues by any means, I know only too well from many years of personal experience that DE&S has major problems in how it manages projects - staff lack relevant experience, people in posts they are really not suited to, a series of fiefdoms with cliques of personnel who follow each other from team to team, people who are always on a senior bod's new & exciting project until just before it delivers (or not) but get out before any bad news breaks and a blinkered Bristol-centric view of the MOD that doesn't really understand the flight line or the frontline. I've seen it all and railed against more than once but just don't assume that trying to repopulate it with more military personnel will necessarily improve matters.
 
It would help if we had some internal competition (to keep the work and revenue in the UK) instead of one aircraft manufacturer, the same two offering ship building and maintenance services and the same one again building and maintaining tanks etc. It’s riddled with single source overconfidence and an attitude of ‘who else will they go to?’ Of late we are plumbing for Boeing for many of our assets which opens up the MOD to another danger…a company with highly paid/skilled contract lawyers when ours are ones that clearly couldn’t cut it in the private sector.
 
Vim_Fuego said:
It would help if we had some internal competition (to keep the work and revenue in the UK) instead of one aircraft manufacturer,
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Way, way back in the day there was a choice of British manufacturers Avro, Bristol, Bae, De Havilland, English Electric, Handley Page, Hawker Siddeley, Short brothers, Vickers and Westlands. Now we have really only one major player it's politically very difficult not to choose the UK manufacturer and its pals for your next new shiny toy. Imagine the outcry if we bought from the French
 
The current crop of gov contractors don’t make excessive profits, some inefficiency from being what they are and some from investing in skills and experience.

Probably some room for cost cutting but not that much.
 
Tin basher said:
Way, way back in the day there was a choice of British manufacturers Avro, Bristol, Bae, De Havilland, English Electric, Handley Page, Hawker Siddeley, Short brothers, Vickers and Westlands. Now we have really only one major player it's politically very difficult not to choose the UK manufacturer and its pals for your next new shiny toy. Imagine the outcry if we bought from the French
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The corruption and waste was something else.
 
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