Oil change without removing sump plug

[Shugster]

What's that Shug? Crazy talk!

I know, I allowed myself to be convinced to use a suction pump instead of taking the sump plug out as I have every time before.

The pump was rubbish, made tons of noise and struggled to suck anything with a higher density than Air.

I only got about 2/3 of the Oil out and now the missus, (Whose idea it was), is cheesed off.

Has anyone had a good experience of doing it this way? Or is the pump fit for the bin?

 

[Weebl]

I have never seen the point, it takes seconds to take the sump plug out and then you leave it to drain and get all the old oil out.

I have seen a few people using pumps, the only people that seemed to like it were garages because it took 5 seconds less (and did a sh1t job while it was at it)

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Plus, I'm sure most sump plugs are magnetic, so any metallic crap in the oil system should hopefully collect on the plug!!

 

[Shugster]

Never again! I knew it wouldn't get all of it out but I thought there might be about 10% of the original Oil still in there which I could live with.

That #*$%&§**!!!! pump is going in the bin tomorrow.

To anyone thinking about trying it please heed this as a lesson in how to half do a job with 3 times the effort.
DT_Xtremez_32:

 

[T55]

I believe it's the way the spam garages do it; god forbid they should accidentally incorrectly torque the sump plug and be sued when the engine seizes!

 

[needsabiggerfuse]

I thought those 'gadgets' were for oil changes where you couldn't simply drop the sump plug out without a lot of phaffing about, e.g. marine engines.

Not that it stopped me from forking out for a 'jump lead' that is supposed to get you going by connecting your car to a donor via the cigarette lighter socket. OK if you've half the bloody night to waste while it charges at half a squillioneth of an amp.

 

[busby1971]

When in Cyprus

When in Cyprus

They used to use the pumps in Cyprus a few years back, oil changes were more frequent then and the pumps were quite industrial.

 

[Ex-Bay]

Texaco used to have something like this on their forecourts. I've seen one of these things used in a Hotel Car Park. The excuse was that the Reps (who were all at a meeting) couldn't be bothered to take their cars into a garage for a simple service, so they got a man in to do it whilst they were all busy.
The guy doing the job didn't reckon too much to it either.

Best drain the bloody thing, I reckon.

 

[Rambling Sid]

Might as well drain it and replace the filter as well.

 

[spencer the fencer]

If you drain it through the sump plug you get rid of all the old oil and particulates in the fluid and you get rid of any debris and metalic rubbish that might be floating about in your system.

Don't forget the filter and to replace the sump plug crush washer. At the risk of sounding really weird if you drain the oil using a funnel and a clean filter paper you will collect any debris in the engine that way you can do your own EFDC job and check the condition of your engine. DT_Xtremez_26:

 

[panwash]

Proper oil changes

Proper oil changes

And don't forget, if you collect the old oil, you can use it for an oil change on your second car; ...and then reuse it in the lawn mower on the third change, just like a certain sumpy chief on 85 many moons ago........ DT_Xtremez_42:

Oh and whichever way you do it, don't forget to put the filler cap back on before driving to work like a certain sumpy cpl at the same location.......what? Me?...... :S

 

[Spearmint]

Those pumps just aren't worth the money. As it has been mentioned it is by far much better to drain it out through the sump where you'll find the majority of the crap floating around.

 

[trebor-g]

As I think has been mentioned before only cars with no sump plugs and Marine engines need this, but if you absolutely have too, a PELA pump is what you need, I know a few people with these and they swear by them.

 

[Parky]

Wouldnt touch the pump, and since I took the whole sump off my landy many years ago my prefered method of changing the oil is as follows.

drop sump plug go have a coffee, come back check spark plugs, replace sump plug, drop a half litre or so of petrol down the oil filler, go have another coffee, change air filter, drop petrol out with all the now thinned sludge, replace sump plug and new Oil not forgetting to change the filter. Jobs a good un.

If you have a bike with a spyglass for the oil level you will see the difference that petrol flush makes, your oil lasts much longer before getting that black sooty colour.

 

[Realist78]

It amazes me that people want to take short cuts with what is, arguably the most important 'component' in your engine. Compared to the cost of neglect, oil changes are as cheap as chips. Another tip if you have an engine with high mileage is to flush it out with something similar to OM11, simply drain the old oil out and carry out as many oil changes as necessary with the oil similar to OM11 until it runs clear then change the filter and fill her up with good quality oil.DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[Martin Blank]

Pump out units used by MTMS and GEF now takes less than half the time and no mess.
Mind you our kit probably costs 10 times more than what you bought.
DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[steve_k243]

I did clean oil flush with an old 3.0 litre Merc with 179,000 on the clock. Took 3 flushes to come out clean (ish) Oil pressure was much better after that change.

 

[duffman]

Did you get a pella pump?

 

[Shugster]

No the missus bought some cheap sh1t and insisted that it works when her dad does it.

I was semi pushed into doing it with the pump, I have always pulled the sump plug out and done it properly in the past and will never bother with a pump ever again.

It was unbelievably sh1te!

And as I didn't get all the Oil out I will get to do it again at the weekend.
DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[big_dawg]

Ive had one of those pela oil extraction pumps for years and has never caused me any problems. The reason I use the extraction pump is its a pain in the arse to get to the sump plug on my motor as it has been lowered.

I do an oil change every 3000 miles or so due to my car getting a regular thrashing on track days and enthusiastic day to day driving. Ive used the pela every time and my engine has now done 100,000 miles with no problems.

As for getting all the sludge, particles and crap out during the change, use some forte oil system flush then warm the engine up. The pump will then pull the nasty stuff out no problem.

And finally make sure you use some decent oil is my biggest tip!