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OOA Med Preps for FJ Sqns

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muttywhitedog

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Hopefully, I've come through to the right place for views on this. Here goes:

At my unit, when 100+ personnel deploy en masse to a not-very-nice place, we are all required to make an appointment with the Med Centre to have our books checked and fitness to deploy certificate stamped by the nurse. Each individual "consultation" takes approx 10 mins and then there's the waiting time beforehand, so each person is taken from his or her place of employment for at least 30 mins, which equates to over 50 man hours lost.

Whilst I understand the Duty of Care etc, I find this practice inefficient for the following reasons:

1. We take our blue books to CCS/IRT where they are checked by a medic, so why do we need another annual check by a medic. IRT takes place within 2 months of deployment.

2. As we have a Sqn from the unit away at all times, the med centre is constantly full of able-bodied personnel getting chits signed, placing an additional burden on the medical staff. It also takes personnel away from their workplace.

I have checked with FJ Sqns at the two other units that regularly deploy on Ops and they tell me that their med centre get a Sqn nominal roll and highlight the individuals who they feel the need to see in person before they deploy. The remainder (usually 75% and above), get their chits stamped without even visiting the Nurse. No Medical In Confidence issues are breached as the list is sent to the Admin Staff with the names highlighted - nothing more.

It may well be that where my unit deploy to has different preps to where the GR4s go, but having spoken to a PNO from one of these units on the issue, it was implied that we are going through much more pre-deployment pain than we actually have to.

Thoughts please ladies and gents....
 
Having had a number of patients on my ward in the not nice places with illnesses/injuries that were missed because they had no proper med assessment prior to deploying (the army are the main culprit) justifies I think the extra time taken by the RAF. You may lose man hours this side but a lot more is at stake if something is missed in the sandy places. So bear with it. Until a better system is in place then the old adage 'Better safe than sorry' seems to fit
 
Thanks for the prompt reply Penfold, but my point was more along the lines as to why one unit is adopting one policy of bringing everyone in, whilst another two are not.

Also, the appointment does not involve any physical examination. You get to reception and fill in a questionnaire about whether you have any ailments. Take it in, sit down, hand the Nurse your book and questionnaire She looks at the book and puts a sticker on it, then stamps your fit to deploy certificate and away you go, having stopped via the dispensary to collect your Factor 30 and malaria tablets.

The whole consultation appears to be based on:

a. You being able-bodied enough to walk into the Nurse's office!

b. Whatever you write on the questionnaire.

c. You being up to date with your jabs.

All of which could be done without you being there. In fact the F965s are collected en masse by the Sqn Admin Staff nearer the deployment date.

I have heard the horror stories of Army Units deploying with females who have not long since given birth etc and am well aware that you guys & gals are doing your best for us with limited resources. Your efforts are appreciated.
 
To the OP,

Have you put forward your suggestions to either the Practice Manager or the Practice Complaints Manager?

I'm sure they'd be only too happy to discuss their reasoning and listen to your suggestions.

Med Centres are there for one thing only and that is - to provide a quality service. Each medical centre will have their own mission statement and I'm confident that all will in some way state that their aim is to provide quality care etc...

It's a dumb manager that doesn't listen to his/her 'customers'.
 
We used to take our blue books to CCS along with all our deployment stuff for a "check-up" (pardon the pun) by the Deployment Co-ord cell & Medics.

At least then, you could be sure that you weren't faffing at the last minute with out of date dog tags, duff 1250's and the like.


Funny how that has dropped off despite the EAW concept of all being ready to go......
 
To the OP,

Have you put forward your suggestions to either the Practice Manager or the Practice Complaints Manager?

I'm sure they'd be only too happy to discuss their reasoning and listen to your suggestions.

Med Centres are there for one thing only and that is - to provide a quality service. Each medical centre will have their own mission statement and I'm confident that all will in some way state that their aim is to provide quality care etc...

It's a dumb manager that doesn't listen to his/her 'customers'.

It was taken up by one of my JEngOs and the suggestions above were rejected. Funnily enough, the Dental Centre are more than happy to work with a deployment nominal roll and target those in need of treatment, leaving the fit ones to remain at work, producing aircraft for sorties.

We have just re-visited it again and the answer remains the same, although they could see where I am coming from.

Crack On!
 
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It was taken up by one of my JEngOs and the suggestions above were rejected. Funnily enough, the Dental Centre are more than happy to work with a deployment nominal roll and target those in need of treatment, leaving the fit ones to remain at work, producing aircraft for sorties.

We have just re-visited it again and the answer remains the same, although they could see where I am coming from.

Crack On!


I can only assume that there is a valid reason for the Med Centre to conduct their prep this way. Undoubtedly, this reason must've been passed to the JEngO? I admit that it does seem like a lengthy process though.
 
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