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Apparently when some ex-peanuts were promoted the RAF put them on the wrong payscale. They've now been told they have to pay it back. I've heard varying amounts from £4K up to £7.5K which they now have to repay at 4 days pay a month.

Any truth in this story?
 
hobbes said:
Apparently when some ex-peanuts were promoted the RAF put them on the wrong payscale. They've now been told they have to pay it back. I've heard varying amounts from £4K up to £7.5K which they now have to repay at 4 days pay a month.

Any truth in this story?
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100% truth!

It's not just TG4, it's anyone who, on promotion, goes to the higher pay band. Yes, I've the spreadsheet that has people owing from £400 to £8500.

The JPA FP are submitting a case to get it written off, but watch this space. AND before anyone says typical shineys have fcuked up again, this is a JPA error, nothing more nothing less.
 
HAHAHAHAHA justice for when i had to repay £1500 cos someone at PMA pressed the wrong button and put me up a level on promotion. When i asked about redress i was told it wasn't possible.... We don't know who did it!
 
The Chf Clk said:
100% truth!

It's not just TG4, it's anyone who, on promotion, goes to the higher pay band. Yes, I've the spreadsheet that has people owing from £400 to £8500.

The JPA FP are submitting a case to get it written off, but watch this space. AND before anyone says typical shineys have fcuked up again, this is a JPA error, nothing more nothing less.
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Oh, come on! The Blamethrowers are loaded and ready.:PDT_Xtremez_42:
 
so go on

so go on

Whats the basics of the issue then?
Is this the going from level 5 low to level 5 high? instead of nearest current pay? ie level 5 low to level 2 high?

I know it was a very intense debate at the time our lot assimilated and suddenly had a lot of cash to wave in peoples faces.

If it's a change in policy (clarification I think they call it.!!) that they are trying to back date then maybe it's wrong. If not they should pay the money back and be charged for not highlighting the issue to the appropriate authorities.

If they let them keep it I hope they have enough money to pay all the list one FSs what they deserve
 
Mug? said:
Whats the basics of the issue then?
Is this the going from level 5 low to level 5 high? instead of nearest current pay? ie level 5 low to level 2 high?

I know it was a very intense debate at the time our lot assimilated and suddenly had a lot of cash to wave in peoples faces.

If it's a change in policy (clarification I think they call it.!!) that they are trying to back date then maybe it's wrong. If not they should pay the money back and be charged for not highlighting the issue to the appropriate authorities.

If they let them keep it I hope they have enough money to pay all the list one FSs what they deserve
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No, that wont happen. TBJ decreed that a long time ago and what he says is apparently the bible.

Whether he knows the whole facts behind the subject matter is irrelevant.******
 
Dont know much about Admin Clerks and their relationship to JPA - but isn't that a bit like techies blaming their spanners for getting it wrong?
 
Contrary to popular belief, TG17 do not move people up and down the lower/higher level on JPA - it is done by the JPAC, which is civilian-run.
 
Rigga said:
Dont know much about Admin Clerks and their relationship to JPA - but isn't that a bit like techies blaming their spanners for getting it wrong?
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No, it's a bit like techies blaming BAe Systems - not that that ever happens.
 
This has happened to me and a few other people I work with. Basically when I was promoted I was on Low level 9 and when promoted I jumped up to High Level 3. This was questioned to my local admin section who assured me that this was correct. A few months after I was promoted this issue was raised again and all TG4 Cpl's were asked to fill in a spreadsheet with our current pay level and what level we were on before promotion. Again we were told that our pay was correct.

Now four years down the line, my salary has been reduced and i've been put down two increment levels. Spoke to JPAC who said that my pay was wrong and I now owe £7000 and recovery action will be taken.

This issue has since been blamed on an "ambiguity in the interpretation of JSP 754 and JPA has been updated to cater for the anomaly"

Not sure why its taken four years for this to be sorted and the fact that we were assured that our pay was correct we have now been penalised for JPAC's mistake is not interpreting the JSP correctly.

There is a global appeal that Air Command are running with, they are trying to write off the debt and our increment levels have been lowered to what we should have been on. But if this is unsuccessful then appeals will be looked at on a case by case basis.

All personnel affected should have received information from their units Chf Clk.
 
I got picked up on AT; so went from Low 9 to High 1, was gutted as people who were in the same position but finished weeks before getting picked up all went to level 3..

Lucky now after what beannz is saying, still its not our fault, stupid JPA/JPAC.
 
beannz said:
There is a global appeal that Air Command are running with, they are trying to write off the debt and our increment levels have been lowered to what we should have been on. But if this is unsuccessful then appeals will be looked at on a case by case basis.
I honestly can't see the appeal coming off. When i got hit with much the same thing in 2004 i was told (and given the paperwork, might have it somewhere) the government have 25 years to find errors they have made in accounting and claim the money back. The precedent was set years ago and it still stands.

I had no comeback, no appology - basically i took a huge pay cut for over 2 years while they sorted out their mistake and Innsworth couldn't have given a stuff. It was the same thing then, anyone promoted within a certain timeframe had been put into the wrong pay level.

Nice to see we have learned from mistakes!
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I'd have thought it was further up than that, probably somewhere only the GD two winged master race get to reach. Which is the main problem with the RAF in general, it's run by people who have never had to lead to get to where they are.
 
Joe_90 said:
I'd have thought it was further up than that, probably somewhere only the GD two winged master race get to reach. Which is the main problem with the RAF in general, it's run by people who have never had to lead to get to where they are.
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Fully agree with you :PDT_Xtremez_30:
 
Pay **** Up

Pay **** Up

I have the same issue. I was on level 8 lower and got promoted to level 2 higher resulting in me now oweing over £4000. I am currently gathering as much information as possible to try and highlight the **** up.I have in my possesion a letter which states:"The root cause of this error has been determined as ambiguity in the interpretation of JSP 754. JPA was changed in 2009 to cater for this anomaly".So they new there was an issue in 09 but failed to let anyone know which meant the debt carried on building up for a further 2 years. I have spoken to various people about this issue, including one person who has written confirmation from his admin clerks that he was on the correct payscale at the time.Needless to say, we will more than likely end up paying this money back even though our admin clerks confirmed it was correct at the time. I have sent a letter to my local MP who is William Hague and he has responded and will be raising the issue with Mr Fox. I have also made contact witht the Independant Service Complaints authority in the hope that we can at least name and shame the incompetant individuals who ****ed this all up in the first place.If you have been affected by this **** up, can I ask that you please send details to the below e-mail address, the more who kick a fuss up, the more chance we have of them realising that this needs to be kept quite.http://armedforcescomplaints.independent.gov.uk
 
Overpayment and Income Tax

Overpayment and Income Tax

Hi there,

I'm new to e-goat but am in the same boat as the other ex-11's. I was told that I needed to pay back £4800 - at the time I appealed as I had written confirmation at the time of promotion to say that I was on the correct pay grade, but hey ho, I still have to pay it back.

For those of you that may be wondering I called the JPAC yesterday as we have all paid income tax on the wages we were overpaid and I didn't know how to get it back.

To cut a long story short, the income tax you paid on the over earnings will be refunded at the end of the first financial year that you started repaying the GPD and deducted from the balance. So, when you first recieved the notice on your payslip it would have said GPD Taxable £... - just before the new financial year starts it will change to GPD Non-Taxable - if you have this showing on your pay slip then the tax has been refunded off your debt.

You can check this by contacting the JPAC and they will give you the exact amount that was refunded, when and the new balance. I thought I would have four years of paying off JPA's error but now it has gone down to two.
 
Victory

Victory

I have it on good authority from my Chief Clerk that the debt HAS been written off. I received the phone call on Friday the 07th Oct from him and I am awaiting written confirmation.
 
I can confirm that this debt has been written off; I've seen the e-mail from a certain Sqn Ldr M*****.
 
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