Permanent acting rank

[big duke 6]

We've got shifts of 4 where I work covering 24/7 which consist of 1 cpl and 3 SACs. The cpl is required for supervisory and oversigs. When the cpl goes on leave somebody from days has to fill in, getting messed around.

Is it an option to make one of the sacs acting unpaid cpl indefinitely?

Changing the LUE or whatever it's called these days isnt an option.

Many thanks

 

[busby1971]

We've got shifts of 4 where I work covering 24/7 which consist of 1 cpl and 3 SACs. The cpl is required for supervisory and oversigs. When the cpl goes on leave somebody from days has to fill in, getting messed around.

Is it an option to make one of the sacs acting unpaid cpl indefinitely?

Changing the LUE or whatever it's called these days isnt an option.

Many thanks

You may find that the estabilishment includes the 5th member who is subsumed into the daisy cpls, other than that set up a 5 shift and live with the rotation.

 

[big duke 6]

You may find that the estabilishment includes the 5th member who is subsumed into the daisy cpls, other than that set up a 5 shift and live with the rotation.

Only 6 Cpls in the section. Therefore even if they were all on shift we would still be 2 short.

 

[Climebear]

Only 6 Cpls in the section. Therefore even if they were all on shift we would still be 2 short.

If you build ALA into the shift cycle (ie each cycle includes work days/nights, standown days and days off as a % of ALA) you can do it with 5. Leaving the 6th to cover any other absences (guard, courses etc).

This does mean that the individuals on shift don't have any say on when they take their leave allowance (as it's already built in to their shift pattern) so it may not be a favoured option; but, it can happen within the leave regs.

The simple answer to your question is no there isn't a permanent form of acting rank - apart from where it is part of a trade employment cycle such as SAC/aCpl RAF Police.

Back in the mists of time, I used to cover for the shift cpl as an SAC. Never had any problems as everyone was grown up about it.

 

[big duke 6]

Back in the mists of time, I used to cover for the shift cpl as an SAC. Never had any problems as everyone was grown up about it.

Not an option, need an nco fir oversigs. Just wondered if it was possible to put people up that's all.

 

[Sospan]

What trade are you all?

 

[big duke 6]

We are tg1.

 

[Sospan]

That does seem a bad strategy for a 24 hour shift patten.

 

[big duke 6]

That does seem a bad strategy for a 24 hour shift patten.

I know. But we are where we are.

 

[Joe_90]

If there was a case for permanent acting then there has to be a case for another Cpl. Unless you are a scuffer or PTI there is never a case for permanent acting at Cpl in my opinion.

 

[PTR Hoar]

Off topic

Talking of perm acting, is it true that if you hold an acting higher rank for longer than 18 months you should be made substantive?

 

[ScoobTech]

We've got shifts of 4 where I work covering 24/7 which consist of 1 cpl and 3 SACs. The cpl is required for supervisory and oversigs. When the cpl goes on leave somebody from days has to fill in, getting messed around.

Is it an option to make one of the sacs acting unpaid cpl indefinitely?

Changing the LUE or whatever it's called these days isnt an option.

Many thanks

When I was up at Istar central this is how the ground radio worked, some one from days had to cover the shifts when the guys went on lve. It's just a fact of life of modern shift work in the RAF, now that our manpower has been cut to the bone. I'm not sure how the big radars work maybe a JAFAD can inform us, but I should think it is fairly similar. Minimal manning on shift and days covering the gaps. Long gone are the days of large shifts on nights sat around watching tv doing nothing, or stood down to the block on call just in case something happens.

 

[Climebear]

Off topic

Talking of perm acting, is it true that if you hold an acting higher rank for longer than 18 months you should be made substantive?

Simple answer is no it's not true.

The regs (JSP 754 Chap 3 Section 9 and (for ground trades personnel and NCA) AP3376 Volume 1 Part 1 Chapter 5 or (for commisioned officers) AP3393 Chapter 6 Section 6) do not include any provision for those in acting rank to be substantiated based on time in acting rank.

There are several instances where individuals can be granted acting rank for longer without guaranteed substantive promotion such as appointment as an MRT Team Leader or Deputy Team Leader (FS and sgt) or loan or attachments to other governments.

Off Topic

 

[Dave Yeeles is a bigjobby]

On topic, I seem to recall there's an auth for experienced SAC's/JT's to get 2nd sig? Plus, have you no SNCO's that can supervise?

So let me get this right, you have 6 Cpl's, 4 on shift? One goes on leave when on nights, a day shift Cpl has to cover said night shift?

How many SNCO's?

 

[big duke 6]

On topic, I seem to recall there's an auth for experienced SAC's/JT's to get 2nd sig? Plus, have you no SNCO's that can supervise?

So let me get this right, you have 6 Cpl's, 4 on shift? One goes on leave when on nights, a day shift Cpl has to cover said night shift?

How many SNCO's?

There are 4 cpls permanantely on shift and 2 on permanant days. If a shift cpl goes on leave whilst on shift a daisy gets moved to shift for the duration of that leave period.

1 Sgt.

 

[SirSaltyHelmet]

There are 4 cpls permanantely on shift and 2 on permanant days. If a shift cpl goes on leave whilst on shift a daisy gets moved to shift for the duration of that leave period.

1 Sgt.

That's how it should be and it works on every shift system I have seen.

 

[Dave Yeeles is a bigjobby]

There are 4 cpls permanantely on shift and 2 on permanant days. If a shift cpl goes on leave whilst on shift a daisy gets moved to shift for the duration of that leave period.

1 Sgt.

So, basically, the beef is that the Cpl's on days are not too happy about having to change their plans and cover the shifties? If I'm being honest, as Cpl's and future SNCO's (maybe?), they need to show more flex. I don't think it's unreasonable for them to cover as I'm sure it's a minimum, and for the main most people are happy to do nights every now and then.

I know it's not ideal getting messed about but if we look at things realistically, although there is a solution, is it the most sensible and practical one? Probably not, in reality you're there now, the day shift Cpl provides cover.