Personal Issue - Correct Terminology

[HandbrakeHouse]

Sorry to bother the suppliers but I'm trying to remember the correct terminology for - is it - personal issue items. I seem to remember C class stores. Things like clothing and, on deployment, rations and toilet rolls. Or are these items classified differently?

I'd be grateful for your advice.DT_Xtremez_27:

 

[I Look Like Kevin Costner]

Can't help on the clothing.. Personnel issue is just that. Some things , you don't have to return as its been next to the gonads etc.

On logistics however "C" is comsumables. Others are "L" (lifed) and "P" (shiney V&A stuff that is believed to be of interest). "P" stores are very much inventory items (as can L stores be...)

As for the difference in Logistics between 91 (Granby) and 03 (Telic), only one word really springs to mind...

CASH.....

The Tories budgeted and spent to get the UK forces in position to operate (We got new equipment etc sent out to Dahnran ).

Telic was very different as everywhere was trying to be leaned as we were trying to build up for it....

 

[Tin basher]

From memory so could be wrong

C stores - Consumables no records needed use and replace as required
L stores - Items of some value but only repairable using unit resources. Worth a bit so repair on unit if you can.
P stores - Items of value repairable off unit if needed. i.e. of sufficent value to warrant shipping them to another location for repair rather than scrapping them.
V+A - Valuable and Attractive. Stuff that's nice to "borrow" Aircrew sun glasses, aircraft stop watches. V+A need not be expensive just nice to have.

 

[Captain Slog]

From memory so could be wrong
C stores - Consumables no records needed use and replace as required
L stores - Items of some value but only repairable using unit resources. Worth a bit so repair on unit if you can.
P stores - Items of value repairable off unit if needed. i.e. of sufficent value to warrant shipping them to another location for repair rather than scrapping them.
V+A - Valuable and Attractive. Stuff that's nice to "borrow" Aircrew sun glasses, aircraft stop watches. V+A need not be expensive just nice to have.

Just about correct Tb;

P – High cost Inventory items, repairable on and off Unit.
L – Again Inventory items, repairable on Unit only.
C – Consumables i.e. POL, nuts, bolts, rivets, Kimwipe, etc.
V&A – Valuable & Attractive, can be any Class, as you say stuff that's nice to "borrow" Aircrew sun glasses, aircraft stop watches, batteries, Chamois Leathers, Camera’s, etc.

There is also another group which includes equipment that the old terrorist would like to get his mits on i.e. explosive components, radios, etc but for the life of me I can’t remember the name (old age showing). I’m sure there is a stacker out there that can put me on the right path.

 

[HandbrakeHouse]

Thanks guys. There's lots of different categories that I'd forgotten about.

I'm not fixated with bog rolls but they'd be C class - as is clothing. Is body armour clothing and so personal issue? PM me if you prefer.

Thanks again

 

[True Blue Jack]

Thanks guys. There's lots of different categories that I'd forgotten about.

I'm not fixated with bog rolls but they'd be C class - as is clothing. Is body armour clothing and so personal issue? PM me if you prefer.

Thanks again

I'm no stacker, but I had to give my body armour back after my last OOA so I'm guessing it's not "consumable". I believe it's only "next-to-skin" clothing that is classed that way, so shirts are personal issue but jumpers are not. Somebody will soon tell me if I'm wrong.

 

[FootTapper]

There is also another group which includes equipment that the old terrorist would like to get his mits on i.e. explosive components, radios, etc but for the life of me I can’t remember the name (old age showing). I’m sure there is a stacker out there that can put me on the right path.

ACTO i think you mean

 

[RAF Bird]

I dont think it matters what class of stores things are when it come to clothing. I am a supplier and would never dream of asking for a return of 'c' stores for anything that the lovely teckies want for their little aeroplanes however when a colleague of mine went to clothing a couple of months ago for new shoes they wouldn't give her them as she had to exchange the old pair. Now they were on her feet and according to orders when you hand in footware they have to be vented for 24 hours before they can be returned!! So she had to go away and wear boots to work for one day then the day after that she took her old vented shoes to clothing and they exchanged them!! I can only assume they then took her old shoes and put them in the bin!! The word pr1(ks springs to mind. DT_Xtremez_42:

 

[scooterboy]

RAF Bird,totally agree with you my fellow stacker. Here at Leuchars and I dont mind letting people know its the worst and stingiest Clothing Stores I have ever been to. Socks are one for one exchange!!. WTF is the world coming to,and its run by little hitler civvies. DT_Xtremez_25:

 

[RAF Bird]

RAF Bird,totally agree with you my fellow stacker. Here at Leuchars and I dont mind letting people know its the worst and stingiest Clothing Stores I have ever been to. Socks are one for one exchange!!. WTF is the world coming to,and its run by little hitler civvies. DT_Xtremez_25:

Couldn't agree more. I'm battling just to get my kitting for OOA in Jan. I went in yesterday to get it, only to be told they have only just ordered it even though they have had my sized for at least 2 months. Wouldn't mind but with 10 more days on courses and christmas leave I only have roughly 6 days in work so I'm gonna have to come in on leave to pick it all up which at the end of the day is my personal time that I should be able to spend with young child before I go not chasing clothing stores for things I am ENTITLED to!!
::/:

 

[The Loan Ranger]

RAF Bird it's a disgrace that you're going to have to use your own time to sort out kit they should have got months ago, why not have a quiet word with your chain of command even upto OC Supply because even though they are civvies they still answer to the same boss as you, hope you get the things you're entitled to before you go and in works time not your own...

Hope you have a good/safe OOA

 

[docbombhead]

RAF Bird,totally agree with you my fellow stacker. Here at Leuchars and I dont mind letting people know its the worst and stingiest Clothing Stores I have ever been to. Socks are one for one exchange!!. WTF is the world coming to,and its run by little hitler civvies. DT_Xtremez_25:

The only problems I've ever had in clothing stores on every camp I've been to is off the civvies working there. At Bruggen I went to stores for some socks (with none to exchange mind) and the only I could get some was to put some money into the Sqn charity collection box on the counter !!

 

[Sniffer]

Clothing stores rules are crazy in some places. ie: Can only exchange boots if they have been off feet for 24 hours. They were only open during working hours and working dress at that unit was CS95. Similar thing for a new beret. Has to hand mine in there and then. No taking new one away to re-shape before bringing old one back. Im sure they did it just to make you look a tw@t walking back to the block.

 

[flintwich]

Went to collect my kit for Incirlik in 95, expecting desert combats etc, walked out with 3 pairs of socks and a pair of desert boots.
was told as I had KD, that would do.
Admittedly, it was good working in shirt and shorts during that long hot summer.

 

[NOMENCLATURE]

A lot of these "civies" working in clothing stores are ex RAf stackers and they know the gen as well as you. You, as fellow stackers, know how frustrating it is to have people come up to the counter who "know your job better than you do", so hang these guys some slack and see it from their point of view. If they are just being awkward for the sake of it use the chain of command, thats what it is there for. Nuf said!

 

[Redundancy please]

I think that all Clothing Stores should have at least one Military type in there, at least a Cpl. Then if the Civvies are being jobsworths the JNCO can nudge them politely in the correct direction

 

[4mastacker]

Slightly Off Topic but might explain why some Clothing Stores are a bit tight.

Many years ago at a secret helicopter base near Hook, an "enterprising" stacker indulged in a one-man crime wave by breaking into Clothing Stores and pillaging the stock. His activites affected the availability of clothing across the Air Force.

Many Suppliers' careers were ruined because they had been doing 'professional' adjustments to the stock record trying to keep it agreeing with what was physically held. The staff in Clothing Stores couldn't figure out why things were going wrong because the tea-leaf didn't work in Clothing Stores - he had made a key for the external door and was letting himself in during the night. He was eventually caught by a concientious duty stacker who decided to have a walk round the outside of stores and he caught said tea-leaf exiting the building with an armful of flying clothing which he was going to flog to his 'customers'. The police investigation spread far and wide and many people were done for doing favours like issueing socks/shoes/shirts without getting the old one back for scrapping. As a result, folks in clothing stores were absolutely petrified in case they were jailed for doing what had been a regular practice across the RAF. He didn't confine his activities to Clothing Stores - ESG, ASF and the Sqn stores all had a seeing to during his campaign.

The culprit had kept a book of who had bought what - that proved "interesting" at the Summary of Evidence - and was sent down for three and a half years for burglary. My involvement? - I was the escort when the staish heard all the charges and at the subsequent Summaries.

 

[roverboy]

So who is the individual selling wedgewood blue shirts and other RAF clothing on ebay then? Bet you can't guess where his location is?? Staffordshire!!!

 

[Ex-Stacker]

So who is the individual selling wedgewood blue shirts and other RAF clothing on ebay then? Bet you can't guess where his location is?? Staffordshire!!!

To be fair, there aren't many RAF units in Staffs (probably less than 1) and that one that used to be there was almost exclusively civilian run, especially on the Supply side ( except for the wing mongs) and I really don't think they had much access to RAF blue uniform.
I could have sold all my uniform on E-bay as they wanted only bits of it back, but I'd been carrying it around for years and welcomed the chance to get rid.

 

[Shark537]

To be fair, there aren't many RAF units in Staffs (probably less than 1) and that one that used to be there was almost exclusively civilian run, especially on the Supply side ( except for the wing mongs) and I really don't think they had much access to RAF blue uniform.
I could have sold all my uniform on E-bay as they wanted only bits of it back, but I'd been carrying it around for years and welcomed the chance to get rid.

When it was open, ALL clothing stock was held at 14MU RAF Carlisle. 14MU closed in the mid-nineties and aircrew flying clothing was transferred to 16MU RAF Stafford and all ground clothing was transferred to Bicester. As already mentioned, at this time of change all Stafford personnel were civvies apart from the 'wing mongs' but there was still some blue suits working on the duty crew PFDS and also the PPT (Priority Picking) right up to 1998. Certainly didn't get access to any clothing in stock though.
DT_Xtremez_28: RIP Stafford.