promotion on a tmes

[hacked off in the farce]

quick one...

is it possible to get promoted on a TMES?

i have heard mixed stories about this one so thought i might aswell come straight to the orracles for this one.

 

[Humble Scribe]

Yes it is possible to get promoted but signing on is a different matter.

 

[NotAnIDOYet]

I concur, was pomoted on a lowered MES but not allowed further service. It helps if you have a good amount of time left on your current engagement, or a hope of getting upgraded at some time in the future.

 

[pie sandwich]

On a temp med cat you can't but when you get a perm med cat even if it is lowered you can, I had to wait until I was given a perm med cat then a few months later I was picked up.

 

[MrMasher]

On a temp med cat you can't but when you get a perm med cat even if it is lowered you can, I had to wait until I was given a perm med cat then a few months later I was picked up.

Incorrect.
I just have. DT_Xtremez_30:
Cant sign on though..............

 

[pie sandwich]

Fair doo's I was told by the Chf Clk that I had to wait until I got a perm med cat before I could be promoted.

 

[MrMasher]

Fair doo's I was told by the Chf Clk that I had to wait until I got a perm med cat before I could be promoted.

No mate.
I am on a temp downgrade, although its been extended past 18 months.
I got picked up and told I cant sign on to LOS30 because of the downgrade.

 

[SgtScribbly]

if you come the top of the PSL and are next in line your "case" will be passed to PMA Med (as was) for boarding. They then make the decision as to Yes/No on the promotion and also on further service - the two are not connected. If your MES is too bad to get promoted you may retain your position at the top of the PSL until you are able to gain a suitable MES for promotion.

 

[Odie]

I got promoted whilst on a temporarily downgraded MES of A4G3Z5, DT_Xtremez_21: so it does happen. DT_Xtremez_15:

 

[MyShineyAr$e]

Why are downgraded pers allowed to be promoted. I imagine a lot of them can't go OOA or indeed complete the full range of duties such as Guard, so why should they be promoted?

Case in point, Pers Admin Cpl at Cosford, exempt Guard, CCS Trg, OOA, duty outside base areas, has been temp downgraded for a substantial amount of time, yet has been promoted. Then has the cheek to refuse to waive her 90 days because it would inconvenience her.

How long can a temp downgrade last?

 

[Odie]

Why are downgraded pers allowed to be promoted. I imagine a lot of them can't go OOA or indeed complete the full range of duties such as Guard, so why should they be promoted?

Your ignorance speaks volumes. DT_Xtremez_26: Having a downgraded MES doesn't always mean that people can't do the full range of jobs. A reasonable percentage of my jolly chaps are downgraded (A4G2Z1 - me included since my "upgrade") yet all carry out the full range of duties. After a delay of a year due to my MES, I managed to get accepted to train for the job I volunteered for even though my temp MES didn't meet the criteria laid down in the book - and PMA promoted me into the job. DT_Xtremez_17:

I'm not denying that there are those who milk it for all it's worth, DT_Xtremez_25: but I haven't met many.

 

[MyShineyAr$e]

Your ignorance speaks volumes

How do you know what my ignorance does or doesn't do? Have you met and experienced the same lame, sick and lazy that I have?

Having a downgraded MES doesn't always mean that people can't do the full range of jobs.

Which is why I said "I imagine a lot of them...."

I'm not denying that there are those who milk it for all it's worth, but I haven't met many.

Which brings me back to my first sentence....you're obviously not at Cosford!!!

As you can probably guess, I am fed up with the amount of sickies who get rewarded for doing sweet FA because their limitations allow it. I know there are plenty with genuine reasons for their downgrading, but I'm sure if you took your rose tinted spectacles off you would see an awful lot are swinging the lead!

 

[Odie]

How do you know what my ignorance does or doesn't do? Have you met and experienced the same lame, sick and lazy that I have?

I guess I'm lucky to move in circles with those that have a "can do" attitude. DT_Xtremez_30:

Which is why I said "I imagine a lot of them...."

Luckily I deal with reality, not imagination. DT_Xtremez_31:

Which brings me back to my first sentence....you're obviously not at Cosford!!!

Too right I'm not. I've heard that someone imagines it's full of workshy, malingering desert dodgers. :S

 

[MyShineyAr$e]

Luckily I deal with reality, not imagination.

Clearly not if you think that Downgrades should be promoted. But then again you're one of them aren't you so you would support the notion.

Anyway break over, got to go and take up the slack left by some malingerers!

 

[Tin basher]

And moving back to the original question. Have we a definative answer yet????
Discussing the can do or won't do attitude of others we may have met doesn't answer the original query.

TB.

 

[tommo9999]

The definitive answer is yes, you can be promoted whilst holding a tmes.

 

[Odie]

Clearly not if you think that Downgrades should be promoted. But then again you're one of them aren't you so you would support the notion.

I support the notion because I've experienced it from the side of someone who's been downgraded, not as someone who hasn't. What you do is lump all those downgraded for whatever reason as a single group. Reality, as is often the case, isn't quite so black and white as you think. DT_Xtremez_15:
God forbid you should ever get downgraded through no fault of your own. If you do, I hope you stand by your principles and either turn down any promotion offer, pay back the x-factor portion of your pay or immediately leave the service so you don't become a burden.
When I got downgraded, I kept pestering the medicos about being upgraded - this went on for about 2 years. Even now I'm not one of your ideal A4G1Z1 master race, but quite a few people aren't but still get on with their job. During that time I was A4G3Z5, I was promoted, trained for another job, did Sqn dets, did the RAFFT, did guard and any other duty that came sailing my way. Once I got put to A4G2Z1 (still downgraded from the ideal) I picked up my share of OOA.

 

[hacked off in the farce]

thanks for clearing that up goaters... well the ones who stayed on topic in anycase...lol

as for myshineyar$e... what makes you think that all people who are downgraded should be treated the same? as a lower being than yourself by the sounds of it... you will find that alot of those who are downgraded are so from no fault of their own such as work related injuries, sporting injuries whilst representing the services and serious injuries and illnesses... i agree there are those individuals who milk it but why should the genuine people be punished because of those few?

i have through out my time in the farce come across a fair amount of people with the "don;t pay them as much" and "don;t promote them" attitude towards the downgraded but you'd be amazed how quickly they shift their opinions when it happens to them...

However you are all entitled to your opinions on any given topic and have the right to express them in a forum such as this, and if it makes anyone happy whinging about others then please continue to do so as i am all for happyness in the work place...

oh time for a trip to the med centre i can feel a blister coming along lol

 

[billy bollox]

Why are downgraded pers allowed to be promoted. I imagine a lot of them can't go OOA or indeed complete the full range of duties such as Guard, so why should they be promoted?

Case in point, Pers Admin Cpl at Cosford, exempt Guard, CCS Trg, OOA, duty outside base areas, has been temp downgraded for a substantial amount of time, yet has been promoted. Then has the cheek to refuse to waive her 90 days because it would inconvenience her.

How long can a temp downgrade last?

Can she stand up on two feet? can she watch powerpoint? Then if yes Cosford should make her do Station duties such as CCS and Guard Trg/Duties like they do in Lincs. A blanket "unfit for duty" is no longer acceptable. OOA is a different matter.

I do agree with you though, it slaps in the face of thise doing the everyday job whilst covering for those less able.

 

[MrMasher]

Definitely ignorant.
Tarring downgraded people with the same brush just illustrates it.
I am downgraded.
I work hard at my job and I think I am quite good at it.
Obviously I am, as I had good enough assessments to get get boarded and promoted. All whilst being downgraded.DT_Xtremez_15:
Some of us may be downgraded, but most of us work as hard as the rest.


Said by billy bollox:

I do agree with you though, it slaps in the face of thise doing the everyday job whilst covering for those less able.

Less able??? What exactly do you mean by less able??? I assume you are referring to the same bunch of people as MyShineyAr$e? If not then you are just being blatantly discriminatory.
Most downgraded people actually do their everyday job, if they cant its grounds for getting the boot.


Its all well and good for people to slag off others who are downgraded, but unless you know exactly what is wrong with them, how it affects them day to day, what they realistically can and cant do and unless you have evidence that they are swinging the lead then you should keep your ignorant narrow minded comments to yourselves.


Back to the questions:
Anyway, a temp downgrade lasts for 6 months. You can have 3 of these, all from your local med centre, before you have to be referred to a med board at Henlow for a permanent MES.

You can be promoted on a temp MES. ACOS refer to your med status when you get picked up by the board and see if your MES will allow you to fulfill the post they have for you.