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PTI standards/restrictions/requirements

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Siobhan876

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Hi, this is my first post so bear with me.
I'm a civilian atm, I'm 17, female and interested in joining the RAF at age 18, specifically to become a PTI.
Two things really - What is the route to becoming a PTI asap from joining?
What are the restrictions to becoming one, other than fitness? For example, am I at a massive disadvantage being female?
Not to blow my own whistle but my fitness is above any standards I have heard mentioned on the www. I play football at county level, and although I don't actually play county level in tennis, badminton or hockey, I am at that standard for each, or at club level at least. The only restriction being spare time. I have 3 grade B A-levels. So how hard am I going to find becoming a PTI from joining up?

Thanks for any help or advice.
Siobhan876
 

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Have you asked these questions at the AFCO yet?
 
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Siobhan876

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No, I haven't been yet, the main reason being I possibly have Raynaud's Syndrome, which is an immediate bar, and I have a check for it next week. So I'm going when/if I'm cleared.
I just want personal experiences/opinions at the moment, because although the AFCO would obv know most about it, I doubt they'd be quick to admit any kind of fault in their own system?
Sounds pessimistic but just trying to get a rounded picture :)
 

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Hi, this is my first post so bear with me.
I'm a civilian atm, I'm 17, female and interested in joining the RAF at age 18, specifically to become a PTI.
Two things really - What is the route to becoming a PTI asap from joining?
What are the restrictions to becoming one, other than fitness? For example, am I at a massive disadvantage being female?
Not to blow my own whistle but my fitness is above any standards I have heard mentioned on the www. I play football at county level, and although I don't actually play county level in tennis, badminton or hockey, I am at that standard for each, or at club level at least. The only restriction being spare time. I have 3 grade B A-levels. So how hard am I going to find becoming a PTI from joining up?

Thanks for any help or advice.
Siobhan876

You join up as a PTI, not join then go PTI.

From what you write you are more than qualified and are in no way disadvantaged by being a female. There are plenty of female PTIs in the RAF (in fact, 1 from Lyneham just won the Forces Special Gladiators!).

As for Raynaud's disease - don't most women suffer from it? There are differing degrees of it and not all are a primary cause. Some are secondary brought on by something else. (only know cos wife is diagnosed with it and went along to the consultancy).

Best bet is to ask the AFCO once you've got the info about your Raynaud's.

Good luck :pDT_Xtremez_28:
 
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Siobhan876

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Ok thanks, I just wasn't sure about becoming an RAF PTI differs from the army, as for them you have to join and then transfer.

And yeah between 5-10% of people have Raynaud's, 3/4 of which are female, and I've got the mild version. Thing is, it's on my records as possible as I showed symptoms at 14 and both parents have it, so I'd rather be disappointed now than 6 weeks in to training.

Thanks for the help. :)
 
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tacadmin

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Being exceptionally fit and having a good aptitude for sports is a good start. They will also look for confidence and 'NCO Potential', as PTI's are given the rank of Cpl on completion of Phase 2 training.
How's your swimming?
 
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musclemech

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Becoming a PTI

Becoming a PTI

The RAF is the only service where you join straight away as a PTI, but it is a very popular choice so it is a very competitive selection.

Being a female is not a problem - you do the same tests as males but are not expected to reach the same standards fitness wise.

You used to have to play County level at 1 or 2 sports but that is not the case now, although some AFCOs may still tell you that. As well as being good at sports, you need to be fit and as someone else has said previously, you will be evaluated for your potential leadership skills. You have to be a reasonable swimmer, at least good enough to be a competent lifeguard, and do a passable impression of competence at front crawl, back crawl and breast stroke. You will also be evaluated for your coaching/ teaching ability, not just your sporting ability.

Do you have any teaching/ coaching qualifications and/ or experience? If not try and get some, even if it is just teaching football to younger players at school/ college/ your club. Can you take the warm ups at your own football/ hockey training sessions. This is very important because the job of a PTI is to encourage others to play sports and keep fit, not for you to play sports and keep fit and it shows that you have a commitment to fitness in others, not just yourself.

The fact that you play raquet sports and hockey is a help but make sure that you know one end of a rugby ball from another and can spin pass it, can volleyball serve and set/ dig, and can bowl a cricket ball.

If you get past all the AFCO aptitude tests you will be asked to complete at 2 day selection test known as a vetting at RAF Cosford, near Wolverhampton.

They will test your fitness 1.5 mile run/ shuttle run/ gym tests. They will test basic skills in football hockey volleyball rugby badminton tennis cricket (there may be one or two more but I think that's it). You will take part in leadeship tasks and do some teaching (take a warm-up or something along those lines) and also teach one of the skills that you did earlier. You also have to do a swimming test, paddle a kayak up and down the pool and climb the indoor climbing wall. Oh and a proper interview (why do you want to be a PTI? What do you know about what a PTI does?). On that note is there an RAF Station near you where you could visit the PTI sectiion - shows good initiative and will actually tell you what PTIs do, which contrary to popular belief, is not play sport all day!!!

After that they will tell you the result. But passing is not necessarily a guarantee of a place because others may pass better than you. It just depends on how many people pass and how many places there are.

With regards to Raynauds, I have no idea whether it will be a bar to you entering the RAF as a PTI, but most likely you will have to mention it on your application form and will be required to see an RAF medical specialist. Don't try to hide it and then get found out having lied on your application later. I can't see how it would affect your ability to do the the PTI job apart from when you are doing Adventurous Training maybe. Just to note though, that the decision about whether it is a bar to entry will be made before you go to the vetting - and the PTIs doing the vetting will have no knowledge of you having it, so it will not factor in their decisions.

So in summary:
Try and arrange a visit to a PTI section
Practise sports skills in those sports i mentioned - try and have a go at climbing and kayaking if you haven't done so already.
Make sure your swimming is up to scratch - and practise lifesaving techniques
Get some teaching / coaching practise in, and even better qualifications.

Finally don't be too disappointed if you do not get in first time, many people do not pass first time but go back and do well on the second attempt.

Hope that helps
MuscleMech
 
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bigshot77

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I have just been given my date for PTI vetting & it's not until September!!!

I was put through my AST, interview & medical fairly quickly & it seemed like they were trying to get my through pretty fast.

So I was wondering, does anyone know if there is any particular reason why my date is not for six months?! Because I've noticed posts where peoples start dates are getting put back.

Cheers
 
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musclemech

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The AST, medical and interview are AFCO selection criteria, which is separate to the specialist interview (vetting). The AFCO will try to get you through their bits quickly so you will be ready for a specialist interview as soon as possible (don't forget the same AFCO process is done for trades that don't have specialist interviews, so in their case the AFCO gets it done quickly so they can join as soon as possible).

The PTI School runs the vettings when they need them, and in a group of vettings, rather than running them all through the year. There are only about 3 PTI courses each year, so I don't know for certain, but it is likely that they have filled all the places for this year, and will be vetting in September for courses running in the next financial year.

In the meantime, read my last post about the vetting and start preparing!

Hope this helps
Musclemech
 
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Krusty_Crab

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I have just been given my date for PTI vetting & it's not until September!!!

I was put through my AST, interview & medical fairly quickly & it seemed like they were trying to get my through pretty fast.

So I was wondering, does anyone know if there is any particular reason why my date is not for six months?! Because I've noticed posts where peoples start dates are getting put back.

Cheers
As previous post have stated, competition for PTI slots is very high and they only recruit 20-30 per year and they only run 3 courses per year. (The training year runs Apr - Mar). They will have already selected people for the first 2 courses of the year so they wont need to look at any more for a while as the next available PTI course probably won't be until the New Year.
 
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bigshot77

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Thanks for the replies guys. Makes sense really.

I suppose to look at it in a positive way, it will give me more time to prepare.
 
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Krusty_Crab

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Thanks for the replies guys. Makes sense really.

I suppose to look at it in a positive way, it will give me more time to prepare.
My advice is contact your local youth Soccer clubs and volunteer as a coach, find out about Swimming instructor courses and see if there are any local charities that take disabled kids swimming and volunteer to help. It's not just about being good at sport. They'll be equally interested in your leadership ability and working for local charities and being able to show that you can coach will stand you in good stead.
 
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is there any physical requirments

is there any physical requirments

just woundering if theres any physical requirments like being able to bench press so much or sumthing like that ?
 
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Reformed Scribbly

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Not specifically, part of the specialist interview does involve maximal press ups, sit ups and MSFT(bleep test). It's more important to have a very high level of cardio fitness than be a beef cake.

Speak to your AFCO, they will be able to provide you with more information.
 
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