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Can anybody advise on the following situation? If a serving member of the RAF (9 years time served) received a civilian job offer, and provided the RAF with 1 months notice, can the RAF actually stop that person from leaving? I hear stories of people leaving at short notice, and I also hear that the RAF cannot legally prevent anybody from leaving provided that the notice is "reasonable". I also hear that if it went to Court, the RAF would lose which is why it is never fought. If anyone can confirm this and provide examples I would appreciate it and I would be interested in any comments. I admit, I am going purely on rumour, speculation and other opinions so official guidance would be welcome.
 
The RAF can keep you as long as it likes, hence the publication of MWT. There are stories and rumours about people getting out early and some have - normally from trades and ranks where manning is not so tight. I have heard about people stating EU regs etc etc, but never seen any evidence of anyone going that far to get out.
 
As the last man said the Royal Air Force can do whatever they want, 'Institutional Arrogance' I think it was called recently in another public sector.
 
Why would you go for a job interview unless you had already applied to get out? - (unless you have been headhunted)

Additonally if you want to get out in a month I have seen it done, but only for those that are in over manned trades and have done in excess of 22 years.

Also if you had a job offer for a months time I am sure the process of taking it through the courts would take longer than the MWT, let alone a month (probably why nobody has bothered).

But then if you don't ask, you don't get - stranger things have happened!
 
With a degree of fondness I remember submitting my PVR, nearly 12 years ago - and was informed that due to manning levels in my trade group and the fact that i'd just returned to my unit from a course, i would have to pay £1,200 and that it would take me 18 months to get out.
In light of this I went to see the padre, who was extremely supportive. I'm not saying this approach will work for everyone, and my personal circumstances at the time were somewhat unique, but within a matter of weeks i was walking away from MOD land, never to return again.
The Lord certainly does work in mysterious ways!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
The station hairdresser told me it was possible and it has just been confirmed by the cleaner mong too.
 
The situation doesn't actually concern me personally, I recently left the Service after 23 years and am in employment. It was a general enquiry on behalf of another. However I'm not so convinced that "the RAF can do what it wants", as seen in examples such as the gay rights and the pregnancy issue. I wonder just how binding an employment contract is when it ties somebody down for such a long period of time, when in civilian life, 30 days notice is perfectly acceptable. But thanks for the comments.
 
I heard a rumour of two navy personnel that put in their one months notice after which they didn't bother turning up for work.

The story goes that the navy , through fear of litigation did not bother going after them.

I seem to recollect they had already completed 22 years service and were therefore pensionable. There was some obscure piece of EU legislation referring to pensionable engagements they used to support their case.
 
Every case is individual, depends on his boss and PMA, if they say no thats pretty much it! as happened to my missus with a firm job offer and a trade officially 20% overmanned!
 
The Cynic said:
The situation doesn't actually concern me personally, I recently left the Service after 23 years and am in employment. It was a general enquiry on behalf of another. However I'm not so convinced that "the RAF can do what it wants", as seen in examples such as the gay rights and the pregnancy issue. I wonder just how binding an employment contract is when it ties somebody down for such a long period of time, when in civilian life, 30 days notice is perfectly acceptable. But thanks for the comments.
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I think you will find that it is "the contract" which matters. This is no different to civvy street. If you don't like the rules, don't play the game or take the pay. What you are saying in effect is that it is OK for any member of the RAF to "Breach their Contract". A legal minefield methinks, and not quite as simple as suggested. Tommo is quite right in that there is lots of talk, but not much walk. That is not to say that someone could not challenge it, but it would take a darn sight longer than 30 days to resolve.
 
I have got a similer question to ask here. I myself PVR'd at the start of this month. My trade is very top heavy ( beleive it or not) and has currently a WT of around six months. I have been talking to some folks for jobs in the civvy sector, who are saying what possibility there is for me starting early. Working out all my resetlement time, terminal leave etc. It does not leave really much time in the RAF, just over two months. With this in mind, and with a firm job offer, would the RAF fight to keep me in with such a small time frame or would they let me go? I just could not see the logic for them to fight this.
 
Once again, each case will be reviewed on its merits by Manning (PMA in old money) - Consideration will be given to the FMDL in the rank and trade etc. A written job offer would certainly help your application, but there are no guarantees. That said, if you don't ask, you don't get. Good luck.
 
Cheers for the intel Tommo, that will give me something to tell any new employers. It's been the theme so fay from folks I have been talking to in Civvy street," how soon can you start". I really don't mind doing my PVR time, however with what I have been told about what money I can earn and other things. I just want to leave ASAP.:PDT_Xtremez_26:
 
As I said, it's worth chancing your arm, the worst they can do is say no. If your trade is overmanned as you say, then your chances are better.
 
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