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Question About TG1 Out Of Trade

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Whilst conversing with some of my fellow TG1 personnel who like me are currently 'Out of Trade', the subject of how long we can stay 'Out of Trade' came up.

I, and others have always been told that we can only stay out of Trade for a maximum of 5 years, otherwise we are deemed to have 'lost our competencies’', although no-one could remember anyone ever having quoted an AP reference.

The question is, where is this written down?
 
Sounds like it's linked in with your trade competencies/Qs. These are valid for 5 years once off type, i.e. if you've a tonka engine Q then go to Typhoon and don't go back for 5 years the Q isn't valid. However, there are certain Qs that you can get that last longer and others that don't last as long. That side of things is all laid down in the JAP, can't remember the exact location but it's there.
Apologies for the convoluted reply but hope that helps.
 
It is written down somewhere but I'm not in work for a few weeks. It came about when a trainee from Cosford put a line in their course critique that they didn't feel their SNCO instructor was relevant because he hadn't been near an aircraft for 12 years. It made them look initially at instructional tour lengths (3 years normally with the option to extend to 5) and then they widened it to include all Out of Trade appointments. After 5 years you must return to normal trade duties. When I'm back in the office I'll dig out the bit of blurb.
 
Ha, ha, that's brilliant, 12 years away from aircraft, bet he was teaching them aircraft handling too! To be honest I thought that (notice past tense) was the norm for Cosford. I remember doing my cpl's course and being 'taught' how to supervise a a/c towing team by an instructor who had never worked on aircraft, oh how we laughed!!
 
Stuck in a rut! said:
Ha, ha, that's brilliant, 12 years away from aircraft, bet he was teaching them aircraft handling too! To be honest I thought that (notice past tense) was the norm for Cosford. I remember doing my cpl's course and being 'taught' how to supervise a a/c towing team by an instructor who had never worked on aircraft, oh how we laughed!!
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Currently the rules are that you can do no longer than 5 years in an instructional post. There are those however who manage to slip through the net when promoted or find other work at Cosford.

Once you've left, you're not meant to return for at least 18 months/2 years.

However, there are always those that will have been in non aircraft roles (docs, H and S, QA), do a 5 year stint as instructor, get posted back into another non aircraft role and then come back and do another 5 years.

A friend of mine did exactly that, JT in the Lean office, then 5 years instructing, then posted to an Eng Wing HQ desk job and is already planning a return to instructing.

His nickname is now BA Barracus... aint gettin' on no plane fool!:PDT_Xtremez_30:


HTB
 
Don't believe the old "not a valid Q" or "My Q's Run Out" myths.

No-one I knew ever did a Hunter Q for whatever type from the 1970s - Hunters are still flying albeit by a civvy company.

During the Falklands - Phantom Q's were being suddenly revalidated for some folk after 12 years off type - at 10 mins notice and people were shipped down south at the drop of a hat.

During GW1 - HGV Driving licences were being given for working out how to start the trucks. (a mate still uses his)

So there's a "rule".

MOD breaks its own rules all the time - and there's always the "unless OC-??? says so" caveat.

Once you have a Q (or an X) it stays with you for LIFE. Thats why it stays on your records.
 
Rigga said:
Don't believe the old "not a valid Q" or "My Q's Run Out" myths.

No-one I knew ever did a Hunter Q for whatever type from the 1970s - Hunters are still flying albeit by a civvy company.

During the Falklands - Phantom Q's were being suddenly revalidated for some folk after 12 years off type - at 10 mins notice and people were shipped down south at the drop of a hat.

During GW1 - HGV Driving licences were being given for working out how to start the trucks. (a mate still uses his)

So there's a "rule".

MOD breaks its own rules all the time - and there's always the "unless OC-??? says so" caveat.

Once you have a Q (or an X) it stays with you for LIFE. Thats why it stays on your records.
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You're out of touch there I'm afraid Rigga, the JAP quite clearly states what I've said in post 2. Certain Qs in certain circumstances can be revalidated but there are very few of those and they are listed. X annotations however maybe re-auth'd after being off type/equipment for an extended period.
Can't say that "unless OC-???" caveat would hold any water should the brown stuff hit the fan.
You can however still do any task that your Q would allow you to do you would just require adequate supervision and oversigning.
 
Hi WGAF,
I know there a rule - and I have no doubt its written very proudly in some JAP or DAP for all to read.

But it's only worth the ....?...it's written on.

Same in civvy street - If the rule doesn't work, change it.
 
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