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Could anybody give me the gen (actual policy please) for what physical order you should have your medals mounted for wearing with No1s/No5 Mess Dress. I read it's supposed to be order of precedence rather than date awarded but there seems to be no place I can find that gives this precedence of what medal should be before others. I'm sure this would help out others, not just me, but if you could be specific to my query it would be perfect. My medals to be mounted are:

OSM+rosette Sierra Leone
OSM+clasp Afghanistan
OSM+clasp Telic
Golden Jubilee
LSGC (RAF)
ISAF non-article 5 (Afghan) for No5 Mess dress, I know you can't wear this on No1s.

Cheers, any gen would be very helpful.
 
Firstly, you're not entitled to wear your Afghan Non Article 5 (Afghan) on your Mess Dress.

However, check this web site out for the order of your other medals:

http://www.medals.pl/bc/

I reckon the order should be, going from right to left as if worn:
 

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OK, many thanks for the gen, didn't expect it to be solved that quickly so cheers for that. The photo in Annex E of the AP link gave me exactly the same order that Chf Clk posted. I was told that the Afghan ISAF medal was ok to wear on Mess Dress, just not on your No1s. This was the gen when I first received it so maybe that is something that needs clarifying, if not for me, but for the admin staff at my previous unit as I'm certainly not the only person that was under this impression.
And in answer to Keef's question, we were in the luxurious surroundings of Lungi, at least that's what I think it was called.
 
Cheeky-chopper-chipper,

There is a lot of confusion when it comes to wearing your Afghan ISAF medal but at the end of the day, there is no entitlement to wear it on your Mess Dress.

This issue has been raised before on the Goat, try this link:

http://www.e-goat.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=31938

:PDT_Xtremez_14:
 
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OSMs and campaign medals are worn in order of awarding....so the telic/herrick could be either way depending which was awarded first.
 
OSMs and campaign medals are worn in order of awarding....so the telic/herrick could be either way depending which was awarded first.

It's not quite as easy as that. For example, if you won the Afghan OSM in 2004 and the GSM NI in 2005, you would still wear the GSM NI as the No 1 medal.
 
No, you wouldn't. They are both campaign medals and are therefore worn in the order they were awarded.

I agree. It doesn't matter when a campaign medal is inaugurated; operational service and campaign medals ( both UK and UN/NATO/WEU that HM the Queen has authorised to wear) are worn in the order they are awarded to the wearer - AP1358 Chapter 8 Annexes G and F refers.

The authorisation by HM applies to all orders of dress - No5 is no exception. If your admin staff are confused then all they have to do is look in the AP (which is available on the magic TV thingy on their desks) which clearly gives the answer.
 
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??? the GSM is not a campaign medal. Its a GSM. Maybe I'm going senile??? :PDT_Xtremez_35:

Both the GSM and OSMs are counted in the same grouping as campaign medals.

Welcome to senility, you'll enjoy it.
 
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Please can I ask a really dumb question?
How come you get a medal you cannot wear ?
And when CAN you wear it ?
 
I think the Op Herrick medal covered the same op, that was Royally Approved???? the ISAF one wasnt??? and you can only wear one medal for one op?? I stand to be corrected but I think thats the Gist, because we raised the Question in 05 in Kabul.
 
Please can I ask a really dumb question?
How come you get a medal you cannot wear ?
And when CAN you wear it ?

See the thread on the link in post #5. It includes quotes giving the official view.

The medal is given to you by NATO. The UK view is that it is a keepsake - you cannot wear it in uniform. I suppose you could wear it on you pajamas. Mine sits in its box in a drawer.
 
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Cheers for all the gen guys (and girls?). Looks like my simple question has sparked off another round of conversation. Anyway, I think I've got my answer so cheers for that, I'll get my "proper" medals done and file the ISAF one away under B1N.
 
Using the wonderful power of the internet. Here is the relevent policy from AP1358 Chap 8 Annex F:

ORDER OF WEARING ORDERS, DECORATIONS AND MEDALS

The following list, issued by the Central Chancery of the Orders of Knighthood 17 March 2003, gives the order of precedence in which Orders, Decorations and Medals should be worn in the United Kingdom, certain countries of the Commonwealth and in the Overseas Territories. It in no way affects the precedence conferred by the Statues of certain Orders upon the Members thereof.

Victoria Cross (VC)*

George Cross (GC)*

British Orders of Knighthood Etc


Order of the Garter (KG)* (Note 1)
Order of the Thistle (KT)* (Note 1)
Order of St Patrick * (Note 1)
Order of the Bath (Class I – Knight/Dame Grand Cross) (GCB)*
Order of Merit (OM)* (Note 2)
Order of St Michael and St George (Class I – Knight/Dame Grand Cross) (GCMG)*
Royal Victorian Order (Class I – Knight/Dame Grand Cross) (GCVO)*
Order of the British Empire (Class I – Knight/Dame Grand Cross) (GBE)*
Order of the Companion of Honour (CH)*
Order of the Bath (Class II – Knight/Dame Commander) (KCB/DCB)*
Order of St Michael and St George (Class II – Knight/Dame Commander) (KCMG/DCMG)*
Royal Victorian Order (Class II – Knight/Dame Commander) (KCVO/DCVO)*
Order of the British Empire (Class II – Knight/Dame Commander) (KBE/DBE)*
Order of the Companion of Honour (CH)*
Order of the Bath (Class III – Companion) (CB)*
Order of St Michael and St George (Class III – Companion) (CMG)*
Royal Victorian Order (Class III – Commander) (CVO)*
Order of the British Empire (Class III – Commander) (CBE)*
Distinguished Service Order (DSO)*
Royal Victorian Order (Class IV – Lieutenant) (LVO)*
Order of the British Empire (Class IV – Officer) (OBE)*
Royal Victorian Order (Class V – Member) (MVO)*
Order of the British Empire (Class V – Member) (MBE)*

Baronet's Badge

The badge is worn suspended round the neck by the ribbon in the same manner as the neck badge of an order and takes precedence immediately after the Badge of the Order of Merit. It is not worn in miniature and the ribbon is not worn with undress uniform. (Bart or Bt)*

Knight Bachelor's Badge

The Badge is worn suspended round the neck by a ribbon in the same manner as the neck badge of an Order and takes precedence immediately
after the Badge of a Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire.

Decorations

Conspicuous Gallantry Cross (CGC)*
Royal Red Cross (Class I) (RRC)*
Distinguished Service Cross (DSC)*
Military Cross (MC)* Air Force Cross (AFC)*
Royal Red Cross (Class II) (ARRC)*
Order of St John (Note 5) +​

Medals for Gallantry and Distinguished Conduct

Distinguished Conduct Medal (DCM)*
Conspicuous Gallantry Medal (CGM)*
Conspicuous Gallantry Medal (Flying) (CGM)*
George Medal (GM)*
Queen's Police Medal, for Gallantry*
Queen's Fire Service Medal, for Gallantry*
Distinguished Service Medal (DSM)*
Military Medal (MM)*
Distinguished Flying Medal (DFM)*
Air Force Medal (AFM)*
Medal for Saving Life at Sea
Queen's Gallantry Medal (QGM)*
Royal Victorian medal (Gold, Silver and Bronze) (RVM)*​

British Empire Medal (BEM)*

Campaign and Operational Service Medals and Stars – GSM, OSM and including authorised United Nations, European Community/Union and North Atlantic Treaty Organisation medals (Worn in order of date awarded to individual)

Polar Medals (Worn in order of date)

Coronation and Jubilee Medals

Queen Elizabeth II's Coronation Medal 1953
Queen Elizabeth II's Silver Jubilee Medal 1977
Queen Elizabeth II's Golden Jubilee Medal 2002
Queen Elizabeth II's Long and Faithful Service Medal​

Efficiency and Long Service Medals and Decorations
Medal of Meritorious Service (awarded to members of all the Armed Forces from 1 December 1977 and previously to the Army)
The Accumulated Campaign Service Medal (ACSM)
The Medal for Long Service and Good Conduct (Military)
Naval Long Service and Good Conduct Medal
Royal Air Force Long Service and Good Conduct Medal
Medal for Long Service and Good Conduct (Ulster Defence Regiment)
Territorial Decoration
Efficiency Decoration
Territorial Efficiency Medal
Efficiency Medal
Air Efficiency Award (AE)*
Ulster Defence Regiment Medal*
Queen's Medal for Champion Shots of the Air Forces
Cadet Forces Medal
Royal Observer Corps Medal

Honorary Membership of Commonwealth Orders (instituted by the Sovereign)
Worn in order of date of award

Foreign OrdersWorn in order of date of award (Notes 3 and 4)

Foreign Medals (Excluding all UN, NATO and WEU Medals)
Worn in order of date of award (Notes 3 and 4)

* All those Honours, Decorations and Medals marked with an asterisk (*) in the list above entitle the holder to use the appropriate letters after the name. These groups of letters should be shown in the same order as the order of wear, subject to the following exception:
Baronet’s Badge - the letters ‘Bart’ or ‘Bt.’ are shown directly after the surname before all other letters after the name.

Notes:
1. These Orders are not worn in miniature and the ribands of the Orders are not worn with Undress Uniform.

2. These Orders are not worn in miniature, but are worn round the neck on all occasions except with Service Dress and certain orders of Undress Uniform.

3. The general rule is that non-British insignia should be worn after all British Orders, decorations and medals and in the order of the dates on which they were conferred. When, however, insignia are being worn on occasions specifically connected with the donor country, pride of place should be given to the insignia of that country. Foreign awards may only be worn when the Sovereign’s permission has been given .

4. These awards may only be worn when the Sovereign's permission has been given.

5. The award marked + is only to be used as a post-nominal when writing on official Order of St John business.

As for what campaign medals are authorised for wear, there is a thread on ARRSE that purports to replicate a 2006 DIN on the subject (I can't recall any new medals being approved since then):

United Kingdom Campaign, General Service and Operational Service Medals

6. Campaign medals currently in wear are:

a. South Atlantic Medal: 02 Apr 82 to 12 Jul 82.
b. Gulf Medal: 02 Aug 90 to 07 Mar 91.
c. Iraq Medal: 20 Jan 03 to present day.​

7. The General Service Medal, 1962, with the following clasps, is currently in wear:

a. Northern Ireland: 14 Aug 69 to present day.[this ceased on 31 Jul 07]
b. Dhofar: 01 Oct 69 to 03 Sep 76.
c. Lebanon: 07 Feb 83 to 09 Mar 84.
d. Mine clearance – Gulf of Suez: 15 Aug 84 to 15 Oct 84.
e. Gulf: 17 Nov 86 to 28 Feb 89.
f. Kuwait: 8 Mar 91 to 30 Sep 91.
g. Northern Iraq/South Turkey: 06 Apr 91 to 17 Jul 91.
h. Air Operations – Iraq: 16 Jul 91 to 18 Mar 03.​

8. The Operational Service Medal has been awarded since 2000 as follows:

a. Sierra Leone OSM: 05 May 00 to 31 Jul 02.
b. Afghanistan OSM: 11 Sep 01 to present day.
c. Democratic Republic of Congo: 14 Jun 03 to 10 Sep 03.​

9. The medals in paragraphs 6-8 above are worn in the order in which the recipient qualified for them.

Medals awarded by International Organisations

10. Permission to accept and wear the following awards has been given:

a. United Nations Medal for service with:
(i) UNFICYP (Cyprus): 27 Mar 64 to date to be decided.
(ii) UNTAG (Namibia): 01 Apr 89 to 31 Mar 90.
(iii) UNIKOM (Iraq/Kuwait): 01 Apr 91 to 06 Oct 03.
(iv) MINURSO (Western Sahara): 10 Apr 91 to date to be decided.
(v) UNAMIC/UNTAC (Cambodia): 01 Oct 91 to 30 Sep 93.
(vi) UNPROFOR (Yugoslavia): 01 Mar 92 to 31 Dec 95.
(vii) UNOMIG (Georgia): 23 Aug 93 to date to be decided.
(viii) UNAMIR (Rwanda): 01 Oct 93 to 31 Mar 96.
(ix) UNAVEM 3 (Angola): 01 Feb 95 to 01 Jun 97.
(x) UNOMSIL/UNAMSIL (Sierra Leone): 1 Jun 98 to date to be decided.
(xi) UNAMET/UNTAET (East Timor): 7 Jun 99 to date to be decided.
(xii) UNMIK (Kosovo): 10 Jun 99 to date to be decided.
(xiii) MONUC (Congo): 30 Nov 99 to date to be decided.
(xiv) UNMEE (Ethiopia/Eritrea): 15 Sep 00 to date to be decided.​

b. United Nations Special Service Medal with Clasp:
(i) UNOCHA (Mine-clearance – Peshawar): 1989 – 1990.
(ii) Sarajevo Airlift: 03 Jul 92 to 12 Jan 96.
(iii) UNSCOM (Iraq): Apr 91 to 17 Dec 99.​

c. NATO Medal with ribbon/clasp for:
(i) Former Republic of Yugoslavia*: 01 Jul 92 to 31 Dec 02.
(ii) Kosovo*: 13 Oct 98 to 31 Dec 02.
(iii) Macedonia: 01 Jun 01 to 31 Dec 02.​
d. NATO Non-Article 5 Medal:
(i) Balkans (Non-Article 5): 01 Jan 03 to date to be decided.​
(N.B. Macedonia [FYROM] elements ceased on 31 Mar 03 and the Bosnia Herzegovina elements ceased on 01 Dec 04).

e. European Community Monitoring Mission Medal (Yugoslavia): 25 May 91 to 30 Jun 92.

f. Western European Union Mission Medal* (Yugoslavia): 01 Jul 92 to 31 Dec 96.​

The above medals are worn in the same manner as United Kingdom medals, ie, in the order in which the individual qualified for them. All UN medals and those annotated with an asterisk above may be worn with numerals indicating repeated tours.

Other Foreign and Commonwealth Medals Authorised for Wear

11. Permission to accept and wear the following awards has been given:

a. Malaysia General Service Medal: 11 Aug 66 to 31 Dec 89. (Loan Service only).
b. Muscat/Oman Dhofar Medal: 23 May 65 to 30 Sep 76. (Loan Service only).
c. UNITAS (Republic of South Africa): 01 Jun 94 to 26 Apr 03 (BMATT only).
d. Australian INTERFET (East Timor): 16 Sep 99 to 10 Apr 00. It is worn as a Commonwealth medal instituted by the Sovereign, i.e. after all United Kingdom awards.​

I can see where the confusion in teh order of wear highlighted by The Chief Clerk in post #7 has arrisen as the wording used in the London Gazette dated 17 March 2003 Supplement 1 - 'in order of date of campaign for which awarded' - is ambiguous as it can be read both ways. That said, the direction given in both JSP 761 Chapter 12 Annex A and AP1358 Chapter 8 Annex F is clear that the medals are worn in the order awarded to the wearer.


And finally:

'The object of giving medals, stars and ribbons is to give pride and pleasure to those who have deserved them. At the same time a distinction is something which everybody does not possess. If all have it, it is of less value. There must, therefore, be heart-burnings and disappointments on the borderline. A medal glitters, but it also casts a shadow. The task of drawing up regulations for such awards is one which does not admit of a perfect solution. It is not possible to satisfy everybody without running the risk of satisfying nobody. All that is possible is to give the greatest satisfaction to the greatest number and to hurt the feelings of the fewest.'​
Winston Churchill, 1944​



Notes

1. I could not find an internet version of JSP 761 as egoat policy precludes the use of intranet material I could not include and cut and past qoutes or hyperlinks - however, it is available on the MOD intranet.

2. The version of AP1358 referenced is the one available on the RAF internet site. It is not as up to date as the version published on the Intranet; however, there are no material differences between the 2 versions in the areas qouted.
 
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Could anybody give me the gen (actual policy please) for what physical order you should have your medals mounted for wearing with No1s/No5 Mess Dress. I read it's supposed to be order of precedence rather than date awarded but there seems to be no place I can find that gives this precedence of what medal should be before others. I'm sure this would help out others, not just me, but if you could be specific to my query it would be perfect. My medals to be mounted are:

OSM+rosette Sierra Leone
OSM+clasp Afghanistan
OSM+clasp Telic
Golden Jubilee
LSGC (RAF)
ISAF non-article 5 (Afghan) for No5 Mess dress, I know you can't wear this on No1s.

Cheers, any gen would be very helpful.
Are they REAL medals?? If so order of dress is as issued
 
Could anybody give me the gen (actual policy please) for what physical order you should have your medals mounted for wearing with No1s/No5 Mess Dress. I read it's supposed to be order of precedence rather than date awarded but there seems to be no place I can find that gives this precedence of what medal should be before others. I'm sure this would help out others, not just me, but if you could be specific to my query it would be perfect. My medals to be mounted are:

OSM+rosette Sierra Leone
OSM+clasp Afghanistan
OSM+clasp Telic
Golden Jubilee
LSGC (RAF)
ISAF non-article 5 (Afghan) for No5 Mess dress, I know you can't wear this on No1s.

Cheers, any gen would be very helpful.

I agree. It doesn't matter when a campaign medal is inaugurated; operational service and campaign medals ( both UK and UN/NATO/WEU that HM the Queen has authorised to wear) are worn in the order they are awarded to the wearer - AP1358 Chapter 8 Annexes G and F refers.

The authorisation by HM applies to all orders of dress - No5 is no exception. If your admin staff are confused then all they have to do is look in the AP (which is available on the magic TV thingy on their desks) which clearly gives the answer.
The QEEEN has authorised?? Since when did the Queen have anything to do with the ISSUING of awards??
 
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