RAF medics train with 999 staff.

[mad_mo]

It is hoped it will improve skills on deployment in Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6983306.stm

 

[penfold93]

TBH MM its a bit late they have already sent medics to do paramedic training but never wrote any return service into it so a lot left and the one now with the ambulances they wont get any recognised qual so whats the point. The ones doing IRT at the moment are more than capable of doing the job whiffs of PR to me

 

[Sisterpain]

TBH MM its a bit late they have already sent medics to do paramedic training but never wrote any return service into it so a lot left and the one now with the ambulances they wont get any recognised qual so whats the point. The ones doing IRT at the moment are more than capable of doing the job whiffs of PR to me

PF,

I was under the impression that candidates would be trained to (civi) technician level and hold the civilian qualification, which incidentally is taking a step back in the clinical competence (depending on when they were trained.).
Then the mod would be supplying technicians to work the road for 6 months whilst the ambulance service trained there own paramedics, (the mod paying for this privilege),a final bit of training and exams, then becoming qualified civi paramedics. Upon completion you would then be sent out to work IRT, giving the current paramedics, who I agree with you are doing a fantastic job and very capable, a well deserved break! (Some are doing 3 tours a year due to lack of staff.) . This whole process is said to take a year.
You then sign a return of service, to stop this lack of manning happening again.
Have I been given misleading information?

 

[skevans]

Just one little nagging doubt. Who is doing there job whilst they are undertaking this training?

I'm guessing that the RAF has allowed them the time away from normal duties to do this, or is it being done in addition to normal working hours?

 

[Oracle]

Skevans
To answer your question, look for the manning problems in a med centre near you soon, no replacements immediately available, these medics are posted to external training with no backfill. Some money may be available for civilian admin staff to fill some of the roles but there will still be a big gap until they come back to productive service.

 

[Nurse69]

The way forward

The way forward

Surely then this is the way forward. Ambulance Tech / Paramedic at one end of the Med Centre, Shineys with a bunch “wife of” on local employment take over the admin, Doctors and Techs/Paramedic signed up to BASICS to keep their hand in as street cred is always going to be a problem.

 

[skevans]

Skevans
To answer your question, look for the manning problems in a med centre near you soon,

I can't.

My med centre closes permanently in a few weeks

 

[oddshaped balls]

TBH MM its a bit late they have already sent medics to do paramedic training but never wrote any return service into it so a lot left and the one now with the ambulances they wont get any recognised qual so whats the point. The ones doing IRT at the moment are more than capable of doing the job whiffs of PR to me

This is absolute rubbish I am afraid to say. It is disappointing that, despite the Roadshows and a lot of the work undertaken to get this initiative off the ground people still don't have a clue what it is all about and,sadly, commentary like this just adds to that misguided belief. If you want to know more ask the right people and phone the Paramedic TSO at HQ AIR

 

[penfold93]

This was my personal feelings on the subject but as you obviously are more in the know, then give us more information.It would be nice however if you would have the common decency to maybe post something in the introduction area before rubbishing people postsDT_Xtremez_28:

 

[docbombhead]

PF,

I was under the impression that candidates would be trained to (civi) technician level and hold the civilian qualification, which incidentally is taking a step back in the clinical competence (depending on when they were trained.).
Then the mod would be supplying technicians to work the road for 6 months whilst the ambulance service trained there own paramedics, (the mod paying for this privilege),a final bit of training and exams, then becoming qualified civi paramedics. Upon completion you would then be sent out to work IRT, giving the current paramedics, who I agree with you are doing a fantastic job and very capable, a well deserved break! (Some are doing 3 tours a year due to lack of staff.) . This whole process is said to take a year.
You then sign a return of service, to stop this lack of manning happening again.
Have I been given misleading information?

Surely the RAF runs the risk of these now civy qualified paramedics putting in their pvr for a better payed job ?

 

[oddshaped balls]

This was my personal feelings on the subject but as you obviously are more in the know, then give us more information.It would be nice however if you would have the common decency to maybe post something in the introduction area before rubbishing people postsDT_Xtremez_28:

I apologise if you feel aggrieved that I identified that your information was wholly incorrect.
However, I don't need to give you more information. It is all in the public domain and clarification is available through the channels within the service.

As sensible individuals we should ensure that the message is delivered to those that it needs to get through in a correct manner and from the right sources.

As in many other things, the RAF (and in this case the RAFMS) is way ahead of the other services and we should applaud that and promote it and not disseminate wrong information.

 

[oddshaped balls]

Surely the RAF runs the risk of these now civy qualified paramedics putting in their pvr for a better payed job ?

Doc

I suppose you always run the risk of people leaving when you give them good civi quals. However, there is a lot of good staff work behind this initiative which is aimed at recruitment to training and retention. So far it is receiving a promising response from those in training and those already qualified (who haven't left despite being worked very hard (2 months deployed every 4 months which is well outside harmony etc etc.))

In reality to earn as much as a civi paramedic you would have to wrk +++ unsocial hours in the NHS. The grass isn't always greener. Those who want to leave will do anyway and that has to be taken into consideration with planning.

 

[docbombhead]

Doc

I suppose you always run the risk of people leaving when you give them good civi quals. However, there is a lot of good staff work behind this initiative which is aimed at recruitment to training and retention. So far it is receiving a promising response from those in training and those already qualified (who haven't left despite being worked very hard (2 months deployed every 4 months which is well outside harmony etc etc.))

In reality to earn as much as a civi paramedic you would have to wrk +++ unsocial hours in the NHS. The grass isn't always greener. Those who want to leave will do anyway and that has to be taken into consideration with planning.

See your point just checked out paramedic pay scales "The current salary range for a fully qualified Paramedic starts from £19,885 (working outside London) increasing with experience and responsibility up to £21,453 for a Leading Ambulance person." Not a great salary for their responsibilities, but atl east their not getting shot at, well yet any way ! While on this topic read this week that paramedics have had a request for stab vests turned down by the health authority and are to have "conflict training" instead to learn how to talk a person out of attacking them !!!

 

[penfold93]

If the medics are getting the support then the more qualified paramedics there are the less often they will have to go OOA which as OSB has stated is far above most trades, my concerns with this round of training were expressed after conversations with current medics and at the time this was their take on the subject. I have a lot of friends who are or were medics in all three services and as was stated in the pay thread I was disappointed when they failed to justify the move to the upper pay bands maybe if this training becomes the norm then they will have more success in the future.
Most medics are a great bunch of people and an asset the the RAF here 's hoping the development of the trade continues to get support from the upper levels

 

[dogfondler]

civvy paramedic pay

civvy paramedic pay

Hi all, I'm an ex dog handler now working as a civvy paramedic and I'd just like to point out the correct pay scales for paramedics:

£19688 (£24610) - £25424 (31780)

Figures in brackets are inclusive of 25% unsocial hour payment.

 

[oddshaped balls]

Hi all, I'm an ex dog handler now working as a civvy paramedic and I'd just like to point out the correct pay scales for paramedics:

£19688 (£24610) - £25424 (31780)

Figures in brackets are inclusive of 25% unsocial hour payment.

Thanks DF. The Agenda for Change entry point (Band 5 Point 17 is 19, 166 (23,957 inc 25%unsocial which of course RAF Paramedics do not attract). Point 22 is 22266 (27, 832 inc 25%)25424 is roughly Point 26 which means several years of hard graft to reach that amount. An RAF Sgt generally is on better than that. Keep up the good work out there by the way. Best Wishes

 

[chargehand]

Paramedic pay

Paramedic pay

Surely the RAF runs the risk of these now civy qualified paramedics putting in their pvr for a better payed job ?

Better paid? Have you seen how little NHS paramedics get. 20,000 to 25,000 and a few grand unsociable hours added on.
For the amount of hassle and responsibility they have along with the lack of funding and no time off for CPD training it wont tempt me to leave the service.