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Now, I was under the impression (and am sure I read it in a JSP) that if you are posted within UK and not moving house then you are only entitled to 1 day relocation leave. Is this correct as PSF have told me that it has changed and you now get 5 days?

Cheers
 
clungemobile said:
Now, I was under the impression (and am sure I read it in a JSP) that if you are posted within UK and not moving house then you are only entitled to 1 day relocation leave. Is this correct as PSF have told me that it has changed and you now get 5 days?

Cheers
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If PSF say 5 days then take 5 days or is this because you think one of your guys is pulling a scam?:PDT_Xtremez_19:
 
If you are posted from one unit to another and you change your residence at work address, then you get 5 days.

Your RAW address is where you travel to work from on a daily basis.

If you live out now and will be moving into the mess at your new unit, then you have changed RAW address.
 
I am (hopefully) staying in MQ at current unit and travelling to new unit daily (just awaiting official confirmation from housing bods - due to daughters education). Just thought you had to actually move as in one house/MQ to another or live in - so as I am not it should be 1 day although as I say PSF have told me 5 (I did clearly tell PSF Cpl the circumstances and he said "no mate it has changed and it is 5 days")...:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S

regards
 
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Can't find the JSP760 ref but Families Federation Site has this -

INCREASED RELOCATION LEAVE PROVISION


In recognition of the domestic upheaval that can occur on postings that incur a domestic move, Tri-Service agreement has been reached on a framework for revising Relocation Leave (RL) provision. With effect from 28 Jul 08, RAF personnel who change station and accommodation location will be entitled to a norm of 5 working days’ RL.

KEY POINTS
• JSP 760 currently provides 1 day of RL for intra-theatre reassignment (posting) of RAF personnel.

• This provision is recognised as insufficient for individuals who change working and domestic accommodation locations as part of the reassignment process. AMP has now secured Tri-Service agreement on a framework for balancing individual needs with unit manpower liabilities.

• For moves on or after 28 Jul 08, and subject to the approval of the gaining unit, RAF RL provision will be:

o For a posting within the same theatre, which results in a change of station and domestic accommodation location – 5 working days.

o Where an individual moves to another station within the same theatre, but does not relocate domestically, or moves between units on the same stn – 1 working day.

o For personnel posted between theatres – 10 working days.

o RL will not normally be granted on completion of Phase 2 training.

• The AFBSC notes that there is no Manning and Training Margin for RL and therefore acknowledges that the absence will have to be borne by units.

• During the transfer process from a stn/unit, the individual is to confirm with the gaining Chain of Command and Unit HR staffs the dates or period they will be taking relocation leave to ensure that the correct RL entitlement is applied. This is Tri-Service policy and applies equally to postings to/from Joint/Army/RN units as well as RAF units.
o HR Staffs will be required to increase the individual’s leave record accordingly. Guidance for this can be found through the JPA Business Process Guide ‘Creating an Individual Leave Allowance Adjustment’.

o The individual is then to submit their RL onto JPA or on the manual form ‘Application for Leave or Other Absence Types’ which is to be sent to the appropriate HR staff for processing.

BACKGROUND
The purpose of RL, introduced when JSP 760 was issued in 05/06, is to assist Service personnel in managing the domestic upheaval caused by geographical postings. This provided 10 days’ RL for moves between theatres (UK, North West Europe and Rest of World) and 1 day for intra-theatre moves. For new entrants, RL is not granted on completion of specialist training unless the first posting is to a non-UK location.

A Tri-Service review of the current provision has highlighted that, where there is a change of both geographical working and domestic accommodation, 1 day is insufficient for individuals to complete the relocation process. Whilst noting the inadequacy of the current arrangements, AMP has had to balance this against the absence of any provision for additional RL in the Manning and Training Margin. However, it has been agreed that the current provision should be increased. To this end, the Air Force Board Standing Committee has directed that a period of 5 day’s RL for assignments between stations that also involve a move of domestic accommodation should become the norm for all RAF personnel. This applies to all assignments effective on or after 28 Jul 08. The final authority for the awarding of RL, however, is the CO of the gaining unit.

JSP 760 will be amended to reflect this change in RL provision for RAF personnel.
 
clungemobile said:
I did clearly tell PSF Cpl the circumstances and he said "no mate it has changed and it is 5 days.
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Sorry but he's talking utter bollox. He is probably expecting you to move MQ on posting, but as you have said, you are staying in it, so it should be one day only.

I am at a unit where people are currently leaving in droves, so the entitlement to Relocation Leave is a question that comes up on an almost-daily basis!
 
Cheers all. I will tell said Cpl when my approval to stay in MQ comes through so they can amend the leave on JPA as it currently says 5 days which I guess is an automatic credit.

Cheers
 
Its not an automatic credit - it is a manual process depending on what you are entitled to. I have done about 30 of these since October!
 
Another couple of questions regarding relocation leave.

Is it incumbent on the individuals losing unit to approve the leave and must it be taken before the new 'report for work' date?

Or can an individual split it between units?

I have asked my friendly scribblies and got several different answers....joy!
 
Norman the Storeman said:
Another couple of questions regarding relocation leave.

Is it incumbent on the individuals losing unit to approve the leave and must it be taken before the new 'report for work' date?

Or can an individual split it between units?

I have asked my friendly scribblies and got several different answers....joy!
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It is supposed to be taken before your posting date, however as long as your gaining unit are ok with it, then it can be taken in the first 6 months of your new posting, as it is not always possible to move house the week prior to a posting date.

The new unit have every right to say "no" though and you would have no recourse, so I would advise you or anyone else getting approval in writing.
 
To address the original point about relocation leave.

Have read the AP and it states the follwing:

INTRA-THEATRE MOVES


8.004 Trained strength personnel after joining their first unit, and those personnel completing Phase 2 and 3 training courses with a duration of six months or more, are to be granted 5 working days’ Relocation Leave for normal moves. This may be extended to up to 10 days by Commanding Officers, who are to take into account single Service guidance[1], unit manpower liability and the needs of the individual. One day’s Relocation Leave is to be granted for local moves.

QUALIFYING MOVE


8.005 Normal moves are those resulting from an assignment order normally necessitating a change of SFA, SLA, substitute equivalents, Residence at Work Address or Selected Place of Residence (as defined in JSP 752 Tri-Service Regulations for Allowances). Local moves are those normally within the same establishment between SLA, or between units when no change of accommodation is required. Further advice, if required, should be sought from single Services.


So enjoy your free four extra days!:PDT_Xtremez_30:
 
Cheers. So are you saying/thinking that my assignment would 'normally' necessitate a move so I would get 5 days (which is what I think the Cpl in PSF said)?

The fact is though that I am staying in my MQ at my old unit due to daughters education so I thought that it would now be classed as a Local Move?

I will speak with said Cpl again and see what he says this time!

Thanks
 
dazzer123 said:
Would suggest the man from PSF speaks to his Chf Clk first!
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Oh yeah I must ask him to do that NOT! :PDT_Xtremez_06:

For the record, he insisted that he had queried this before and the outcome was that it is not a local move and it was a posting that would normally attract a move of address so 5 days it is!

:PDT_Xtremez_14:
 
Ok, so some Cpl in your PSF has said that, and you are taking his word in good faith, despite numerous other people saying that it should only be 1 day. He is the SME at your unit and you can now claim "good faith".

However, I'd like you to answer one question, honestly...

You are moving bases, but not accommodation. So one day you turn up to work at RAF X, and the next you turn up to work at RAF Y.

Why would you need as much relocation leave as the same individual who is moving from X to Y, but also relocating with their family, packing all their stuff into a removal van and changing their whole life?

You need to hope that some more clued-up clerk at your new unit doesnt spot this on arrival and deduct 4 days' annual from your entitlement.
 
muttywhitedog said:
Ok, so some Cpl in your PSF has said that, and you are taking his word in good faith, despite numerous other people saying that it should only be 1 day. He is the SME at your unit and you can now claim "good faith".

However, I'd like you to answer one question, honestly...

You are moving bases, but not accommodation. So one day you turn up to work at RAF X, and the next you turn up to work at RAF Y.

Why would you need as much relocation leave as the same individual who is moving from X to Y, but also relocating with their family, packing all their stuff into a removal van and changing their whole life?

You need to hope that some more clued-up clerk at your new unit doesnt spot this on arrival and deduct 4 days' annual from your entitlement.
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So if I claim this in 'good faith' as you mention in your first para why would/could they take it off me as you mention in your last para? Which one is right?

I can't do anymore than ask (more than once). I don't need any relocation leave in answer to your question but if I am being told it is right then what am I to do? Jesus, they (RAF) take all the time so why not?

I reiterate that he said it is not a 'local move' and that I would normally be expected to move. JSP is not 100% clear once again and open to interpretation. I am but a simply Techie :S

Ah well, if they do take the 4 days it won't matter as I have loadsa leave anyway :PDT_Xtremez_30:
 
clungemobile said:
So if I claim this in 'good faith' as you mention in your first para why would/could they take it off me as you mention in your last para? Which one is right?

I can't do anymore than ask (more than once). I don't need any relocation leave in answer to your question but if I am being told it is right then what am I to do? Jesus, they (RAF) take all the time so why not?

I reiterate that he said it is not a 'local move' and that I would normally be expected to move. JSP is not 100% clear once again and open to interpretation. I am but a simply Techie :S

Ah well, if they do take the 4 days it won't matter as I have loadsa leave anyway :PDT_Xtremez_30:
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If you have been told by PSF CPL you are entitiled to 5 days then take them......end of story.:PDT_Xtremez_19:
 
The answer to this question is definitely 1 day; I have just read the letter from AMP, issued when changes (ie 5 days) was introduced and it clearly states 1 day for a move between stations that does not necessitate a move of accom.

So said Cpl is wrong, but enjoy your 1 day anyway.....:PDT_Xtremez_14:
 
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