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Rules on Individual Leave Allowance & Carrying It Over..

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Need some knowledge on this, I've searched the forum and intranet and cannot seem to find any info.

Basically last week I received an e-mail stating the following - "At the end of the leave/financial year if an individual has no days refused / taken back then they will not be able support an application to carry over leave".

Correct me if i'm wrong but usually we are allowed to carry over 15 days ILA and then more should it be for service reasons?

Any help appreciated!

Cheers,
X.
 
The way I read that statement is for applications in excess the normal 15 days....
 
The original quote was from Sqn. OC and then the point was reinforced by LM saying that any leave carried forward will only be sanctioned due to being refused for service reasons...

Fairly certain they can't do this but I can't really question it without backing up my point with some evidence.

EDIT** - In the e-mail chain it also talks about formulating a plan to drive down balances to zero.
 
Are you certain they aren't talking about above the standard 15 days?
 
I've sent an e-mail to clarify but i'm fairly certain they are trying to get everyone to use all of their ILA.

I'll re-post once I get a solid answer.
 
I can understand the drive to reduce ILA balances, but I can't see how they can make you use it or stop you carrying over your entitlement.
 
Was n't there some rule published around 2010-2011 that you had to use your (carried over) leave within 3 yrs. ie personnel had 3 yrs to get their 15 days carried over leave used up or something like it by 2014..... the grey cells are failing me.
 
Just start asking for holidays when you know it won't get approved, during leave bans or when you know lots of other people have already got holiday booked.

Any misunderstandings above caused by predictive texf
 
Yes there was, but they decided it was a stupid idea once they realised the whole of the RAF was going to try and take nearly 50 days leave in 2013 to get rid of the excess 15.
 
We had a similar scenario happen on my last Sqn - multiple apps to carry excess leave (some wanted an additional 30). The Sqn Cdr came up with a cracking approach. He grounded his aircraft for 5 weeks per year - 2 at Christmas, 2 in August and 1 at Easter. Personnel were encouraged to take leave over those periods, and only a handful of Eng personnel were kept back over those periods for Rects - and they got leave either side of the block leave periods. He also made it known that anyone who applied to carry excess leave forward would not have it approved unless they could demonstrate a damned good reason why they hadnt taken the 5 weeks offered by him.

When it came round to 31 March the following year, only one member of the Sqn had >15 days leave and that was due to him being on IMLC and Q Courses for most of the year.
 
Off Topic Are line managers not supposed to ensure that their personnel have taken 28 days leave per year?
 
I have seen it where if you had leave carried over, you are labelled as not being able to manage your time properly (everything is your fault, not theirs).

Also, pressure not to submit a leave application on JPA, so it wouldn't appear as rejected.

I was once told I could not submit leave on JPA for the following week, as I could have had the leave between Jan and Apr. Hang on, I do not need my leave between Jan and Apr! I needed my leave the following week. If you do not have enough manpower, it's not my fault everyone has PVR'd.

What does really irritate me is when we are told what our Christmas and New Years leave will be and then expected to use our ILA for it. "We are putting you on block leave, and we will take it out of your INDIVIDUAL leave allowance".
 
If you do not want to use your INDIVIDUAL LEAVE ALLOWANCE for Christmas and New Year then volunteer to be on duty and save someoneelse getting stiiffed for it.
 
Fluid Druid said:
If you do not want to use your INDIVIDUAL LEAVE ALLOWANCE for Christmas and New Year then volunteer to be on duty and save someoneelse getting stiiffed for it.
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Spot on advice, best time of year to get your duties out of the way, Stn Cdr will not be throwing a minival or other laugh a minute exercise during this period. Camps are very quiet, less hassle for the guys on gate guard.
 
I always carry over 15 days, have done for ages as you never know when you might need extra emergency leave.
 
I always do as well, I remember being really miffed after my fitters course. PSF had removed all excess leave on arrival and when we passed out the following year we all had the same amount of leave. This was a long time before JPA and when you're subject to block leave you don't think about carried over leave. By the time I noticed I'd been posted and apparently nothing could be done. Nearly 15 years later I'm still bitter. ;)
 
Fluid Druid said:
If you do not want to use your INDIVIDUAL LEAVE ALLOWANCE for Christmas and New Year then volunteer to be on duty and save someoneelse getting stiiffed for it.
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The point I'm getting at is why is block leave taken out your individual leave allowance? Why not give us the christmas and new year block leave as stand down?
 
XVR RA RA RA said:
The point I'm getting at is why is block leave taken out your individual leave allowance? Why not give us the christmas and new year block leave as stand down?
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If one flight / squadron / wing got the time off as stand down all others should too. That leaves nobody to cover the essential duties.
 
XVR RA RA RA said:
The point I'm getting at is why is block leave taken out your individual leave allowance? Why not give us the christmas and new year block leave as stand down?
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Parity of Treatment - that's why.

Why should YOU be given an extra two weeks stand-down on top of your 30 days ILA when it is not available to every other member of the RAF?

As others have said - you do not have to take the leave then - gates need guarding.
 
As I thought..

Today I have had confirmation that the Sqn. OC has decreed that everyone MUST get down to zero days leave by the end of the year.

He is in the senior service which leads me to think maybe there are different publications for each service?

Line management have been asked to draw up plans for a proposed leave calendar but have assured us that if said OC tries to force us to use our ILA they will push it back up the chain.

Thoughts?
 
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