SJAR Insert Slips

[wobbly]

Just a quick question with regards to SJAR Insert Slips.

I thought the point of these was to be able to add post det reports or pats on the back to airmen/women so that they could be incuded in their annuals. If this is the case how do I put an insert slip in for personnel that I'm not the 1st RO for? If I can't do this then I can't really see the point in the system being there as the 1st RO isn't always with them and a facility that allows any SNCO to post slips for personnel they are detached with would be more beneficial.

The reason I say this is my lads spent on average 4-6 months away a year and I also spend the same time away but rarely at the same time. Due to this I can, at times, see some of my SAC's for a month in the year and haven't the foggiest what they have been upto apart from two to three small det reports (as they are 2 months dets there is no requirement to write a det report like a 4 month OOA).

 

[Cooheed]

Just a quick question with regards to SJAR Insert Slips.

I thought the point of these was to be able to add post det reports or pats on the back to airmen/women so that they could be incuded in their annuals. If this is the case how do I put an insert slip in for personnel that I'm not the 1st RO for? If I can't do this then I can't really see the point in the system being there as the 1st RO isn't always with them and a facility that allows any SNCO to post slips for personnel they are detached with would be more beneficial.

The reason I say this is my lads spent on average 4-6 months away a year and I also spend the same time away but rarely at the same time. Due to this I can, at times, see some of my SAC's for a month in the year and haven't the foggiest what they have been upto apart from two to three small det reports (as they are 2 months dets there is no requirement to write a det report like a 4 month OOA).

You need to send a copy of what you want inserted to SNCO HR / PSF either by way of photocopy or electronically. 1st RO doesn't have the 'permissions' to insert anything anyway.

 

[wobbly]

Many thanks fella.

 

[M&M]

SJAR Insert Slips

A few M&M top tips:

I thought the point of these was to be able to add post det reports or pats on the back to airmen/women so that they could be incuded in their annuals.

You are correct in the fact that Insert Slips are there to cover such things as 3 to 6 month long Detachments. However, they are not there for 'pats on the back' or laudatory letters. These have never been part of the appraisal system; ROs can comment on them in their narrative, but they are not presented to the promotion board (or pre-board) unless specifically requested. Laudatory letters are simply filed away.

The reason I say this is my lads spent on average 4-6 months away a year and I also spend the same time away but rarely at the same time. Due to this I can, at times, see some of my SAC's for a month in the year and haven't the foggiest what they have been upto apart from two to three small det reports (as they are 2 months dets there is no requirement to write a det report like a 4 month OOA).

If you are the 1RO then you are required to have been in command of the subject for 6 months or more during the reporting period. The time that both your subject and you spend away is not included in this 6 months as you would not have been in command of him/her. If you have less than 6 months in command during the reporting period you should either:

1. Get the 2RO to act as the 1RO (as long as he/she has the requisite 6 months in command) and he/she writes the AR.

2. Apply for a Deferral through your Chf Clk to afford you the time to get to know the subject enough to allow you to write the AR.

If you have any further JPA Appraisal queries...please ask away.

DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[True Blue Jack]

If you are the 1RO then you are required to have been in command of the subject for 6 months or more during the reporting period. The time that both your subject and you spend away is not included in this 6 months as you would not have been in command of him/her. If you have less than 6 months in command during the reporting period you should either:

1. Get the 2RO to act as the 1RO (as long as he/she has the requisite 6 months in command) and he/she writes the AR.

2. Apply for a Deferral through your Chf Clk to afford you the time to get to know the subject enough to allow you to write the AR.

That isn't always appropriate if, for example, the subject and his nominal 1RO (and all their contemporaries) both take part in rolling FU detachments. The subject is technically under the 1RO's command (as the trade SNCO) for the whole appraisal period. Deferrals in these cases are unlikely to be approved because you would simply be postponing the inevitable and it would have a knock-on effect to the following year's appraisal - and at the unit in question there would simply be too many of them to manage.

Asking the 2RO to act as 1RO would produce the same problems and inundate the TM with more appraisals than one man should reasonably be expected to write.

There is little alternative but to write these appraisals by committee, by which I mean informal in-house detachment reports should be written and referred to by the 1RO when it comes to the real SJAR.

 

[M&M]

Not a problem writing an Insert Slip by committee, there is no minimum amount of time to have known the subject neither. The problem is with the main SJAR; if the 1RO does not deploy with the subject then he is not in command of him for that period nor does he see his day to day work. The wobbly is saying that he 'hasn't got the foggiest what they've been up to', and therefore does not believe that he can write a fair assessment of the subject because he has not seen them; he will not have been in command of the subject for 6 months or more during the reporting period. The correct method of achieveing this is below in my earlier message.
DT_Xtremez_35:

 

[True Blue Jack]

Not a problem writing an Insert Slip by committee, there is no minimum amount of time to have known the subject neither. The problem is with the main SJAR; if the 1RO does not deploy with the subject then he is not in command of him for that period nor does he see his day to day work. The wobbly is saying that he 'hasn't got the foggiest what they've been up to', and therefore does not believe that he can write a fair assessment of the subject because he has not seen them; he will not have been in command of the subject for 6 months or more during the reporting period. The correct method of achieveing this is below in my earlier message.
DT_Xtremez_35:

You are correct but you should recognise the difficulties faced by wobbly and his contemporaries on his and other FL sqns around the RAF. The "correct" solution does not always fit and to try to make it do so will see more deferrals than appraisals written.

What is required in this case is proactive management of the appraisals system by the lowest common denominator (Sqn WO/J Eng O). SJARs are supposed to be a living document, after all.

P.S. Wobbly takes his username from his favourite beer, not from his rank.

 

[M&M]

Do whatever you like then...hope the subject sees it that way when you give out a bad one...it's not my report thankfully :S

 

[SgtScribbly]

ROs should ideally know who they are writing about at the start of the reporting period, although thats not always possible due to postings etc, however once you get a subject under you command for appraisal purposes they should then take an active interest in what they are up to, including checking howthey are doing while away from your immediate contact. dont wait until the end of the year and then realise you havent got the foggiest idea what they have been up to.

are you sure 1st RO cant add in an insert slip provider? then can add in subsequent ROs so why would a IS provider be any different.

 

[M&M]

The 1RO already has his/her two sections of narrative to complete; performance and potential. Not sure why they would require another section, however, if you go to an Insert Slip on the system and click on the 'Reason for Insert Slip' it tells you when one is required; Detachment, Head of Arm/Service, More Than One Superior, Specialist and British Service Officer. I can explain all of these different types and when they are required if you wish, but none of them are completed by the 1RO. You may be confusing the Det IS for NFU personnel which is not required for FU personnel?
DT_Xtremez_40:

 

[gemarriott]

looking at this as an outsider. What Wobbly is saying some lads these days are in and out of theatre as often as a whore drops her keks.

Sometimes the Reporting officers are away, sometimes the subject and it is possible that the 6 months you talk about just cannot be met. What TBJ is saying then they must informally work out what the guy is up to otherwise he won't get assessed and all that good stuff and bad stuff like promotion or bollocking doesn't get done.

I thinkDT_Xtremez_17:

 

[M&M]

Do whatever you like then...hope the subject sees it that way when you give out a bad one...it's not my report thankfully :S

DT_Xtremez_42: