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Hi

Just wondering if anyone who has either been in a similar situation or is in the know could help me find a definitive answer to an SJAR on assignment question.

If I receive an SJAR on posting in Feb 2012, this is in lieu of my Oct 2012 annual SJAR (effectively and early SJAR). My understanding is that this will not be presented to the PSB this year, instead being being presented the following year (2013).

However, I have been given some conflicting information from admin staff at my unit. This ranges from:

1. I am correct
2. Although the "extra" SJAR is not presented to the PSB, they have access to it and can view it if they wish.
3. It is presented to the PSB and will form one of my last three appraisals.

The last point is what got me thinking. If this is correct then instead of my 2009, 2010 and 2011 SJARS being read this July, my 2010, 2011 and 2012 will be read. This will mean that next year I will be judged on the exact same spread of SJARs - which seems strange to me.

Does anyone know the official answer? A couple of lunchtimes spent searching the intranet / reading JSP has not been successful.

TIA
 
Nobody in the RAF gets an annual SJAR in Oct. Annual reporting dates are:

SAC - 1 Jan

SAC(T) - 1 Mar

Sgt - 1 May

CT - 1 Jul

Cpl - 1 Sep

FS/WO - 1 Nov.

If you are a Cpl, FS or WO, then you should not have had an on-posting SJAR in Feb, as you were in the first 6 months of your reporting period.

Come back with more info (ie when exactly was your SJAR date and when exactly was your posting date and I'll give you more gen!
 
As I understand it, I thought you had to be within 6 months of the SJAR date to have a posting assessment. If you do have it from feb 2012, then does your next RP go from then thru a year and a half to Oct 2013?
 
muttywhitedog said:
Nobody in the RAF gets an annual SJAR in Oct. Annual reporting dates are:


If you are a Cpl, FS or WO, then you should not have had an on-posting SJAR in Feb, as you were in the first 6 months of your reporting period.

Come back with more info (ie when exactly was your SJAR date and when exactly was your posting date and I'll give you more gen!
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Thanks, and sorry, my mistake - was convinced somehow that Cpl SJARs were Oct. SJAR raised end of Feb on posting (in preparation for official assignment date in March).

S'pose its not important really - just curious that's all.
 
Similar thing happened to me once (made more confusing as my posting date was 29th Feb - which is another story). I was told then that it would not form part of the information used by the pre-boarders until the following year. This happened again to me this year and I have been told pretty much the same thing. Although the point you made about it may be available to the PSB on request might be true.
 
patch111 said:
Thanks, and sorry, my mistake - was convinced somehow that Cpl SJARs were Oct. SJAR raised end of Feb on posting (in preparation for official assignment date in March).

S'pose its not important really - just curious that's all.
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The report that you have just had on posting is in lieu of your Sep 12 report, and will not be read by the pre-boarders or the promotion board until the 2013 promotion board sits for your trade.
 
Slightly Off Topic but was just wondering why there is such a long time between the SJAR's being submitted and the promotion board sitting?

For instance Heavy Cpl's submit their SJAR's in September... the board doesn't sit until July the following year.

I can understand having a short delay (couple of months) so that anyone who's assessment is late isn't penalised.

I thought the board would need the most up to date info to make an accurate decision. What sort of info does the board have access to from the time between SJAR submission and the board sitting... if any?!

HTB
 
Harry B'Stard said:
Slightly Off Topic but was just wondering why there is such a long time between the SJAR's being submitted and the promotion board sitting?

For instance Heavy Cpl's submit their SJAR's in September... the board doesn't sit until July the following year.

I can understand having a short delay (couple of months) so that anyone who's assessment is late isn't penalised.

I thought the board would need the most up to date info to make an accurate decision. What sort of info does the board have access to from the time between SJAR submission and the board sitting... if any?!

HTB
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Some of the reports that the board will read could (quite rightly) be deferred up to six months after the reporting date. Add to that the "due at Acos Manning" date is not until two months after a report is due, that could mean a report does get to them for almost 8 months after a reporting date. Chuck in a month or two for pre board admin and thats why it seems so late - usually by the time next years reports are starting to be written.
 
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I am in a similar position. Cpl posted (not on promotion) in March this year, I recieved my annual SJAR in September 12 then a posting SJAR in March 13 I have been told that I won't get an SJAR till September 14 so I enquired about the dates that my next SJAR would cover. I was told that it would cover the normal Sept-Sept period. Is this right? I will have an unreported period of March-Septeber 13 in which I have completed a lot of my Personal Objectives which won't self populate next year as their completion dates will fall outside of any reporting period. Any help appreciated. Especially detailed referances! Cheers
 
Your old Line manager could complete a More Than One Superior insert slip?
 
Downsizer said:
Your old Line manager could complete a More Than One Superior insert slip?
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Could you explain please Downsizer?

I was posted in as a new Cpl 18 Jun 12 so my 1st SJAR for Sep 12 was deferred. My post moved to QCIT Sep 12 and then I moved to a 1st Line environment Dec 12. So effectively I've had 3 LM's.

I'm only just seeing this SJAR now as no-one could agree on who was to write it. Stomping my feet has produced results but it bloody annoys me that I've had to in this instance to get things moving.
 
One of my Cpls moved to another section within the flight in Jan part-way through the RP, so we have raised a MTOS insert so I and his current RO get an input.
 
Righto, cheers Downsizer. I know that all 3 LM's are having an input, just not sure on if it is via an MTOS.

Looks like I need to make sure it is so.
 
GR4Liney said:
I am in a similar position. Cpl posted (not on promotion) in March this year, I recieved my annual SJAR in September 12 then a posting SJAR in March 13 I have been told that I won't get an SJAR till September 14 so I enquired about the dates that my next SJAR would cover. I was told that it would cover the normal Sept-Sept period. Is this right? I will have an unreported period of March-Septeber 13 in which I have completed a lot of my Personal Objectives which won't self populate next year as their completion dates will fall outside of any reporting period. Any help appreciated. Especially detailed referances! Cheers
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Im in the same situation. A year in phase 3 training where all my objectives would not count. I just changed the dates to my new reporting period.
 
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