SJAR ROs

[Drill Bit]

Should all ROs be madated to, at the very least observe on a promotion board to help improve their report writing skills?

 

[busby1971]

Yes

Yes

Yes, but more to give individuals an idea of how a promotion board works

 

[smokeyreid]

I think that comes more under what they write rather than how the system works does it not? Admittedly I also do think alot of RO's are writing assessments that are not fully aware of how to write into it. I had a good read of the 757 good assessment guide and found out alot about SJARS that I didn't know before!!!!

I recon the 757 sjar writing regs should be readily available to all service personnel regardless of rank to read whenever. That would let alot of cats out of the bag and address alot of myths!!!!!!

 

[Realist78]

Not sure how attending a promotion board would improve your writing skills. It may help knowing what they consider as important to include but writing skills tend to improve with practice and certainly if you have an interest in the language. If you have no interest and are a complete biff when it comes to writing, then you shouldn't be in a position to write reports that have critical importance IMO.

 

[Drill Bit]

Not sure how attending a promotion board would improve your writing skills. It may help knowing what they consider as important to include but writing skills tend to improve with practice and certainly if you have an interest in the language. If you have no interest and are a complete biff when it comes to writing, then you shouldn't be in a position to write reports that have critical importance IMO.

It's a fair point mate; whilst the board won't teach you spelling, punctuation and grammar; it will give you an helpful insight into the content, structure, pitfalls etc to assist writing future reports.

 

[Belle and Sebastian]

It's a fair point mate; whilst the board won't teach you spelling, punctuation and grammar; it will give you an helpful insight into the content, structure, pitfalls etc to assist writing future reports.

I've sat as a member on 3 or 4 boards and PG1979 has a very valid point. It's certainly helped me and those I've known who subsequently got promoted from what I saw.

 

[The Enduring Sarge]

Agree, also the trade WO or sponsor should be there as well.

There is also the Board Presidents report on the manning website, but that deals in generalities and not specifics.

 

[ForgottenName]

I suspect that the practicalities of every SNCO and above attending a promotion board as an observer would be insurmountable. Not only that, it would be very distrubing for the board members themselves.

 

[4everAD]

I suspect that the practicalities of every SNCO and above attending a promotion board as an observer would be insurmountable. Not only that, it would be very distrubing for the board members themselves.

Yes, it can't be easy throwing those darts with people watching youDT_Xtremez_30:

 

[Drill Bit]

Yes, it can't be easy throwing those darts with people watching youDT_Xtremez_30:

Perhaps if you're an RO you might benefit from observing?

 

[Mickwreay]

I suspect that the practicalities of every SNCO and above attending a promotion board as an observer would be insurmountable. Not only that, it would be very distrubing for the board members themselves.

It would not be hard to make a 30/60 min DVD to show all SNCOs when on IMLC.

Assessments are the single most important thing a senior does outside of trade!

 

[Shiney Scot]

Originally Posted by ForgottenName
I suspect that the practicalities of every SNCO and above attending a promotion board as an observer would be insurmountable

I agree that it could be extremely difficult but that's only because Manning insist on holding each board at HQ Air. Why not have boards as Unestablished Commitments and each major unit takes their turn in providing the manpower required? This would make it easier for more SNCOs and above to observe.

 

[metimmee]

I think if the board (or pre board) were able to feedback scores to the 1st RO for specific factors like grammar, narrative consitency with scores, effectiveness of potential, effectiveness of main narrative, consistency with promotion recommendation. That might stop some 1st ROs deluding themselves thinking that they are good at report writing and enable management to target these individuals for some training.

Scores would be more practical than wrtten critiques, but would still be a burden on the boarding team.

 

[ForgottenName]

It would not be hard to make a 30/60 min DVD to show all SNCOs when on IMLC.

Assessments are the single most important thing a senior does outside of trade!

There already is a DVD out, it is on its second edition which was made last year. I thought that it was shown on *MLC at Halton. There should be at least one copy at each unit, I suspect many more.

 

[Mickwreay]

There already is a DVD out, it is on its second edition which was made last year. I thought that it was shown on *MLC at Halton. There should be at least one copy at each unit, I suspect many more.

I've never heard of, or seen it! Maybe a Tosford instructor can tell all?

 

[ForgottenName]

I've never heard of, or seen it! Maybe a Tosford instructor can tell all?

If I had more than 8 days left in the RAF I would help you. But if you pop in to your PSF they should have a copy. If they can't put their hands on it, get them to ring Manning (the correct dept).

 

[Realist78]

I agree that it could be extremely difficult but that's only because Manning insist on holding each board at HQ Air. Why not have boards as Unestablished Commitments and each major unit takes their turn in providing the manpower required? This would make it easier for more SNCOs and above to observe.

A tad maybe but how many, think of the numbers? We all still have day jobs to do in todays (ever increasing commitment, but less resources available) RAF.

 

[Triple SA]

There already is a DVD out, it is on its second edition which was made last year. I thought that it was shown on *MLC at Halton. There should be at least one copy at each unit, I suspect many more.

I have a drawer full - PM me if you want a copy (sent to a Service address).

 

[ForgottenName]

I agree that it could be extremely difficult but that's only because Manning insist on holding each board at HQ Air. Why not have boards as Unestablished Commitments and each major unit takes their turn in providing the manpower required? This would make it easier for more SNCOs and above to observe.

I wouldn't even like to think about how Promotion Selection Boards could be rusticated. The IT issue would be a nightmare (although in the future with the whole of the military on DII(F) it might not be such an issue). It would also preclude the Board President from accessing current information or resolving individual issues at a face-to-face level. It would also be a logistical nightmare for the PSB administrators as they would have to travel to each unit where PSB's are held to brief the board members on their roles and responsibilties, IT instruction, etc.

In sum, I think rusticating PSBs would be a logistical and administrative nightmare for both Manning and hosting units.

 

[Mickwreay]

If I had more than 8 days left in the RAF I would help you. But if you pop in to your PSF they should have a copy. If they can't put their hands on it, get them to ring Manning (the correct dept).

LOL, 8 days left for me too!