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SJAR - The Future Of Reporting????

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Hi peeps,

Lets have another thread to hear the views from the workers.

SJAR is looming large people and already the bosses are unsure what advice to give out, even the roadshow is dreadful and uninformative. Looks like yet again, we have to manually input data which should of been done in the first tranche.

So I ask my fellow shineys, is SJAR the future or yet another cock up????
 
JPA Appraisal (which encompasses SJAR and OJAR) looks fine to me, other than the data input of roles and responsibilities, which will be devolved widely

DTM looks correct, JSP looks mostly accurate, user guide almost helpful

it will never catch on
 
WorsethanJPA said:
Hi peeps,

Lets have another thread to hear the views from the workers.

SJAR is looming large people and already the bosses are unsure what advice to give out, even the roadshow is dreadful and uninformative. Looks like yet again, we have to manually input data which should of been done in the first tranche.

So I ask my fellow shineys, is SJAR the future or yet another cock up????
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Oh? I was planning on going to one of these roadshows. Not worth it then? I could always use the time for something else if they are that bad.
 
Crystal_Tips said:
Oh? I was planning on going to one of these roadshows. Not worth it then? I could always use the time for something else if they are that bad.
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To be honest youre time would be spent better reading the JSP, DTM and the User Guide, raising a few reports etc.

That said, you should make sure your bosses go so they understand the full impact of what is required
 
Are they recruiting more scribblies then? They're the only ones who've fooked me over in the past

Personally I think JPA is ace and anything that gets rid of handbrake house is OK in my book.
 
MrCheekyMonkey said:
Are they recruiting more scribblies then? They're the only ones who've fooked me over in the past

Personally I think JPA is ace and anything that gets rid of handbrake house is OK in my book.
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oh... you have no idea! another person who thinks he should have his own personal clerk doing his work only and yesterday.

FYI I work in PSF, Im at a massive unit and look after about 400 people, of my own.

At the moment I have 12 people who are about to deploy imminently, I have about 15 people who have been warned for DWR and are not returning preps which are time sensitive...

then I have a whole load of manual inputs and as you wil know process have been made lengthier by JPA by in some cases up to 9 minutes (just for 1 piece of paper), and a thousand registers to update.

then there are all the pay queries, the stuff that is in pending, filing, answering the phones, deal with customers who come in, doing any other **** that the seiors want me to do, with very liitle guidance, a **** helpline, and no fooking clue to troubleshoot.

Get rid off hndbrake house??? Please hold you breathe until it happens.... which will be never. And have some patience, I mean if an aircraft was brought in with nothing to tell you how to fly it or fix it, you'd expect a few fookin problems wouldnt you!
 
awesome bite that one!

Well, at my level, I'll wait to be f*cked over by it (not being a shiney)

Not coming in very soon though. As soon as I'm back from my PODL I'm sure I'll have a nice blue folder to sit through!
 
The FOMz said:
Talk about lighting the blue touch paper!!!!!

WOOOOOOOSSSSSHHHHHHHH!!!!
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well, its just so frustrating, Im embarrassed by the whole JPA thing and work damn hard, but to hear crud like that is just infuriating, I can wholehearedly understand everyones frustation, ive been JPA's too, ie I have money taken of me that I shouldnt have had, I was due my bonus the month after it ticked over to JPA and had to wait ages for it, but it REALLY isnt our fault! We are working through the work as quick as we can, which isnt any consolation, I know but what more can we do or say???

If you have complaints make them to the JPAC Service Delivery team (assuming that you've exaserbated all other routes first)
 
monobrow said:
awesome bite that one!

Well, at my level, I'll wait to be f*cked over by it (not being a shiney)

Not coming in very soon though. As soon as I'm back from my PODL I'm sure I'll have a nice blue folder to sit through!
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I can confidently say you arent at a unit where PSF are happy to do you over... If you have any problems come find me in your PSF!
 
Calm down, calm down! Blimey, all I was commenting on was your bite and you give ME both barrels.

Take a chill pill, the stress will kill you!
 
My main job at my unit is appraisals, I have looked at the SJAr and we will have no end of problems. The biggest problem is going to be the data entry, then making sure that everyone is in the correct post. In areas such as Supply or 2nd line maintenance, where personnel are moved around fairly regularly, draft notes will need to be issued from PMA to move them, even if it is to another desk 10 yards away. This will obviously add to a drafters workload, meaning the "open door" facility will once again be limited, meaning that personnel will not be able to speak to their desk as often as they'd like, also meaning that they wil ring PSF, thus adding to the workload. Then we have a training requirement, People still contact PSF with F6000 questions because they do not have the time/too lazy to look for the answers in the F6000B. Why then, do the powers that be think that personnel, especially Techies who have more important things to do, i.e make sure that we have serviceable aircraft, will have the time to learn a completely new writing system? It is just another example of how badly we were mis-sold JPA. Apologies if I have caused offence, I have just had enough!
 
PSFbeatch said:
I can confidently say you arent at a unit where PSF are happy to do you over... If you have any problems come find me in your PSF!
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Sorry, I didn't mean PSF would. I'm just waiting for "the system" a.k.a. JPA to completely re-invent the wheel, lose all my previous assesments just before a promotion board (like a certain overseas list) and become something so "monitored" that once things are said on it, there is no going back (for re-wording an ambiguos statement).

Trust me, since the intro of JPA, I can only sing the praises of the shineys that have to put up with it! But..... we've spent £200 million or something on it so far so they wouldn't bin it to cut their losses. Instead they'll pump another £200 million in to rework it into something manageble.
 
monobrow said:
Sorry, I didn't mean PSF would. I'm just waiting for "the system" a.k.a. JPA to completely re-invent the wheel, lose all my previous assesments just before a promotion board (like a certain overseas list) and become something so "monitored" that once things are said on it, there is no going back (for re-wording an ambiguos statement).

Trust me, since the intro of JPA, I can only sing the praises of the shineys that have to put up with it! But..... we've spent £200 million or something on it so far so they wouldn't bin it to cut their losses. Instead they'll pump another £200 million in to rework it into something manageble.
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Ah! The shiney's version of LITS! It's endemic to government that once the spend is started, usually on the 'spend to save' premise, it very quickly becomes politically unacceptable to reverse the situation becasue it is taxpayers money being written off. Unlike industry the government do not have 'cost benefit windows' - just endless pots of money. The problem is usually further exacerbated if manpower reductions are already occurring - do you bring those people back, usually too late as they are redundant, or recruit new people and endure the problems with latency until they are trained and 'on-line'?

Funny thing is though that the bunch I will be ceasing to work for come February is now run by an ex-Army tosser who has brought the ethos with him, and guess what's happening!
 
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exerk said:
Ah! The shiney's version of LITS! It's endemic to government that once the spend is started, usually on the 'spend to save' premise, it very quickly becomes politically unacceptable to reverse the situation becasue it is taxpayers money being written off. Unlike industry the government do not have 'cost benefit windows' - just endless pots of money. The problem is usually further exacerbated if manpower reductions are already occurring - do you bring those people back, usually too late as they are redundant, or recruit new people and endure the problems with latency until they are trained and 'on-line'?



Funny thing is though that the bunch I will be ceasing to work for come February is now run by an ex-Army tosser who has brought the ethos with him, and guess what's happening!
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are youor were you at colt?
 
Shinyscot said:
My main job at my unit is appraisals, I have looked at the SJAr and we will have no end of problems. The biggest problem is going to be the data entry, then making sure that everyone is in the correct post. In areas such as Supply or 2nd line maintenance, where personnel are moved around fairly regularly, draft notes will need to be issued from PMA to move them, even if it is to another desk 10 yards away. This will obviously add to a drafters workload, meaning the "open door" facility will once again be limited, meaning that personnel will not be able to speak to their desk as often as they'd like, also meaning that they wil ring PSF, thus adding to the workload. Then we have a training requirement, People still contact PSF with F6000 questions because they do not have the time/too lazy to look for the answers in the F6000B. Why then, do the powers that be think that personnel, especially Techies who have more important things to do, i.e make sure that we have serviceable aircraft, will have the time to learn a completely new writing system? It is just another example of how badly we were mis-sold JPA. Apologies if I have caused offence, I have just had enough!
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Well said and quite articulate from you for once.

PS - Got the hint as well you miserable git you - it's much more fun speaking to you on the phone !!!!
 
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