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Witty_Banter
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I thought the subject course was optional for everyone, but the RO workshop becomes mandatory at SNCO and above.
I think it's a prerequisite if you want to sit on promotion / pre-selection boards, too.
I think it's a prerequisite if you want to sit on promotion / pre-selection boards, too.
Cool! It's getting to be a 3 line whip for attendance on the subject course. There are some folk who genuinely don't care about their SJAR so it would be a waste.
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If Subjects don't care then I don't see why they should be forced to go - makes the 1st RO's job easier.
However - anyone who has to write an SJAR should definitely attend. What excuse could someone give for not wanting to be better at SJAR writing? Even if you only glean one thing from it and it makes you a better RO then you should do it.
Moving on from that, I did an SJAR workshop and then volunteered and was subsequently a 3rd member for a very big 3 week promotion baord and learned a massive amount of what should/shouldn't go into a report.
Consequently, my 2 best JNCO's both got promoted from a recent very competitive promotion board.
Sort of makes my point I think.
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If Subjects don't care then I don't see why they should be forced to go - makes the 1st RO's job easier.
However - anyone who has to write an SJAR should definitely attend. What excuse could someone give for not wanting to be better at SJAR writing? Even if you only glean one thing from it and it makes you a better RO then you should do it.
Moving on from that, I did an SJAR workshop and then volunteered and was subsequently a 3rd member for a very big 3 week promotion baord and learned a massive amount of what should/shouldn't go into a report.
Consequently, my 2 best JNCO's both got promoted from a recent very competitive promotion board.
Sort of makes my point I think.
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So your point is that it's the reporting officer that determines which JNCOs get promoted and not how the JNCOs actually performed?
And there in lies the huge elephant in the room when it comes to the broken promotion system we have. If your 1st RO knows how to play the game and how to word your SJAR you have a chance, if however your first RO struggles with the English language then you'll be a B grade.
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I have said several times that the system in use is not fit for purpose.
To get promoted SAC Bloggs should not be relying on Sgt Smiff's ability to write English.
A system similar to how Survey Monkey carries out surveys would be very simple and fair.
Witty_Banter
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It's definitely all about your 1st and 2nd ROs grasp of the English language!
Your 2nd RO's comment is the most important bit - this is what they read first, and it needs to be well worded and - most importantly - has to have evidence to back up every comment made. Same goes for your 1st RO (they read them back to front), evidence is key - if you boss says that the sun shines out of your Ar$e, he needs to provide examples of why, or it's just wasted space in box.
Another good thing to do is read the President's Report from the previous prom boards, and check your SJAR - your own or one you're writing - against the comments made in the reports.
Your 2nd RO's comment is the most important bit - this is what they read first, and it needs to be well worded and - most importantly - has to have evidence to back up every comment made. Same goes for your 1st RO (they read them back to front), evidence is key - if you boss says that the sun shines out of your Ar$e, he needs to provide examples of why, or it's just wasted space in box.
Another good thing to do is read the President's Report from the previous prom boards, and check your SJAR - your own or one you're writing - against the comments made in the reports.
Sat on numerous boards in the past and on another starting on Monday - I have never read the 2RO before the 1RO on any of those boards. It is not necessarily the quality of the English used but more how the report is structured. There needs to be an emphasis on how the individual has done the job as opposed to what they have done. I'd recommend anyone involved in the process (Subject/RO etc) to get to a workshop. Also speak to your Unit Career Advisor for top tips.
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My quote was:''Consequently, - my 2 best JNCO's - both got promoted from a recent very competitive promotion board.'' In other words I managed to get the 2 who deserved promotion, promoted. The ones who didn't got well written (in my opinion) SJAR's but were not competitive enough because of how they had performed.I would never deliberately over-assess anyone just to get them picked up but will always strive to do my very best for an individual who has earned it.
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But any qualitative answers could also be judged on their merits in terms of vocab and 'elegance'
And this is a big part of what is wrong with the promotion system, this and favourable post reports leading to a higher chance of getting promotion. How come so many get overlooked for promotion due to a Sgt with the literacy skills of the cast of a nine year old and/or a job that doesn't have the same opportunities as others?