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It's probably been asked before but I have a question regarding when cadet officers can use their military ranks.
Is it just when they are on official cadet business or can they use them at other times? Does anyone know where I can find it in writing please. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
bulletproof said:
It's probably been asked before but I have a question regarding when cadet officers can use their military ranks.
Is it just when they are on official cadet business or can they use them at other times? Does anyone know where I can find it in writing please. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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As far as I am aware ATC and CCF commissioned officers attend Cranwell and actually hold a commission awarded by the Queen which means they 'technically' have the same authority as a regular officer. Personally whilst in uniform and on camp I think they are entitled to respect from servicemen that their rank deserves as it would undermine their position in front of their cadets and as said above they do hold a Queen's commission.

But I have to say that any ATC officer who tries to pull rank in any other circumstance needs to get a life!

There is obvisouly a reason behind the question, go on tell us the story!
 
harry the df said:
As far as I am aware ATC and CCF commissioned officers attend Cranwell and actually hold a commission awarded by the Queen which means they 'technically' have the same authority as a regular officer. Personally whilst in uniform and on camp I think they are entitled to respect from servicemen that their rank deserves as it would undermine their position in front of their cadets and as said above they do hold a Queen's commission.

But I have to say that any ATC officer who tries to pull rank in any other circumstance needs to get a life!

There is obvisouly a reason behind the question, go on tell us the story!
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Same for the ACF except they can be promoted & demoted as a post requires,ie if a Coy Cdr who is a Major leaves his post to move into say Adj post,he would be demoted to Captain.
They can also carry the rank over into the TA as well.I know of a girl who tried to get a commision thru the ACF as her TA unit would not commision her.
 
I have no problem when they are in uniform and on 'duty' but it's when they're out of uniform and not on cadet business I'm having an issue with. More to do with a sea cadet 'officer'. As I understand it sea cadet officers don't hold the queens commission it is more of a privilege extended to them.
If they're not on duty do they have right of access to M.O.D sites?
 
I know that ATC Officers used to hold a F1250, I don't know if they still hold MOD90 though, or if the sea cadets did the same. The answer to your question is simple really, if the have an ID card they can get on, if they don't then they have to be signed on.
 
Joe_90 said:
I know that ATC Officers used to hold a F1250, I don't know if they still hold MOD90 though, or if the sea cadets did the same. The answer to your question is simple really, if the have an ID card they can get on, if they don't then they have to be signed on.
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ATC (RAFVR(T)) Officers do hold a MOD90;not a clue about Sea Cadet Officers though.
 
bulletproof said:
I have no problem when they are in uniform and on 'duty' but it's when they're out of uniform and not on cadet business I'm having an issue with. More to do with a sea cadet 'officer'. As I understand it sea cadet officers don't hold the queens commission it is more of a privilege extended to them.
If they're not on duty do they have right of access to M.O.D sites?
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If they are not on duty then they should have no reason to access an MoD site unless attending some sort of social function. If they do not belong to the navy reserve then they do not hold the rank other than when they are on cadet duties.
 
bulletproof said:
It's probably been asked before but I have a question regarding when cadet officers can use their military ranks.
Is it just when they are on official cadet business or can they use them at other times? Does anyone know where I can find it in writing please. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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What do you mean 'use'?
 
You are correct SCC officers are not commisioned as they are part of a charity uniformed youth organisation not a recruiting institution and they have no reason to be on mod sites unless in an official capacity. The regulations for them can be found here:
http://www.sccheadquarters.com/Regulations$1Publications/SCR.

I warn you though it is a very long and boring read, hope this helps.
 
toscababy said:
You are correct SCC officers are not commisioned as they are part of a charity uniformed youth organisation not a recruiting institution and they have no reason to be on mod sites unless in an official capacity. The regulations for them can be found here:
http://www.sccheadquarters.com/Regulations$1Publications/SCR.

I warn you though it is a very long and boring read, hope this helps.
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I believe there is a difference between SCC officers and CCF(RN) officers in schools. My son's divisional commander in the 1990s held the rank of Lt Cdr (CCF) RNR and wore the old pre-1960 RNVR 'wavy navy' gold rings on his sleeves. You know, I'm getting a headache. This could prove as obsessive as trainspotting, ultra-High Church religion and the rubrics thereof, or (dare I say it?) computer games.


The old gear has creaked into memory or vice-versa and has reminded me that there was a time when ATC cadets wore their own beret badge but CCF(RAF) cadets have always worn RAF beret badges. It was lads only at the time - young women belonged to a grey-uniformed organisation called the 'Women's Junior Air League'. Similarly, in Berkshire CCF(Army) cadets wore the badge of the Royal Berkshire Regt (now The Rifles) with a triangular piece of red felt behind it, but ACF cadets wore that of the Berkshire Yeomanry, a TA unit that drove armoured cars and eventually became an RA Light AA TA regt, I detect a whiff of 50s petty snobbery as the CCF saw itself as training future officers but the ATC and ACF saw themselves as providing fast-track NCOs. No doubt many a Mrs Staish had spent time in the WJAL - or became an air stewardess.
 
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morse1001 said:
A friend of the family was an Adult Warrant Officer, he had a warrant signed by the Queen.
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Very surprising as ATC Adult Warrant Officers are not Warranted and, with the exception of the CACWO and the Regional WO's, do not wear Tate & Lyles.
 
LilStill said:
Very surprising as ATC Adult Warrant Officers are not Warranted and, with the exception of the CACWO and the Regional WO's, do not wear Tate & Lyles.
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This back in the eighties and he let me see the certificate, it was one of things she never took in the dirvorce
 
LilStill said:
with the exception of the CACWO and the Regional WO's, do not wear Tate & Lyles.
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Almost but not quite: There are 12 "command" WOs in the ATC who were recently authorised to wear the RAF WO insignia: the 6 regional WOs, CACWO, Corps DI, Corps Bandmaster and 3 spare positions. In addition, there will still be some old-and-bold ATC WOs who earned the right to wear the coat of arms due to time served before that right was removed a couple of decades ago.

ATC WOs have a warrant, just not a royal one: it is a certificate signed by COS AC
 
ATC Warrant officers used to get get a Royal Warrant, unsure if they do now though as they had a big shake up a few years back and introduced adukt sergeants etc. ACF officers hold a type b commision simar to reservist officers.
 
Ex Regular wobbys can wear them but with 'ATC' pins underneath.
 
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