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Can any of you helpful stackers explain why:-

a) Aircraft spares are held in large quantities at locations remote from the MOBs.

b) At an increasing rate, spares are 'lost' in transit(large items included).

c) Why a spare part destined for ISL has to go from Stafford via BICESTER FFS.

I know most of it is beyond your remit but an explanation as to why it's all seems to be going horribly wrong would be an enlightenment.:PDT_Xtremez_34:
 
Basically the army rule the world.
Bicester and Donnington won the contract for storage and transportation of said spares.
Stafford has now closed and some f@ckwit in their ultimate wisdom decided that it would be so much cheaper and more efficient to store the majority of aircraft spares (bear in mind that the RAF don't have aicraft operating in Germany anymore) at Dulmen in Germany!!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately, the spares which have been designated for storage at Dulmen are somewhere in between Stafford and Germany, f@ck knows where and f@ck knows when they'll all be accounted for and held properly.
We've gone from having 2 wagons a day from Stafford starting Sunday night to one a day from Monday lunchtime from Donnington. Having spoken to the guys at Stafford, they apparently offered to go to Donnington to explain to the army type civvies how it works in the flying world but they declined the offer!

Whoever allowed this contract to be signed needs shooting. Thank chuff I'm out this year!
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Or why a particular supplier at a certain FJ base won;t issue a box to an AC because it will not leave him with any shelf stock even though there are 2 d-state jets! ( Yes this is not a wind up i was told this by the SA when they called me today.)
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Mind you the via bisceter/donnington(stafford is shutting AFAIK) is a bit weird, our kit has disappeared several times in this bermuda triangle.
 
I visited Donnington recently, whilst I was there they were leisurely trying to satisfy a number of 'D states' but they had no idea where the items were, so MOB's were asked to send a digital image of the items so the stacker's could start a visual hunt of the unit. I was expecting to bump in to Mickey Mouse ! it Must have been his day off :PDT_Xtremez_35:
 
Alot of the problem we are having is that someone in their wisdom decided to hold all the stock that was being moved from stafford on stock charge either at stafford or bicestor/donnington therefore when we helpfull suppliers put in our demands the computer issues it from one of the afore mentioned units which is great but the kit isn't actually there. It's in transit somewhere between the 3 and we have no way of tracking it. Believe me it's just as annoying for us suppliers to sit in our little stores telling the techies that the bit we promised the a few days ago from depo they wont actually be getting.
 
forpuckssake said:
...Stafford has now closed and some f@ckwit in their ultimate wisdom decided that it would be so much cheaper and more efficient to store the majority of aircraft spares (bear in mind that the RAF don't have aicraft operating in Germany anymore) at Dulmen in Germany!!!!!!!!!! ...
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That is just so jaw-droppingly, mind-bogglingly stunning that I had to read it 3 times!!:PDT_Xtremez_17: What kind of numpty decided that that was a good idea... or even financially viable? It can't be, surely?
 
We have about 4 1/2 months left before our Sqn goes civvie and moves. It would appear that the stores system has already begun preparing for this by emptying out Tech stores of our aircraft spares and sending them all up country.
Quite often it means that the simplest of snags becomes a paperwork exercise because we have to rob all the time to keep flying. To ground the aircraft and say sorry, no spares until the wagon gets here doesnt cut it.
Thank feck theres not much time left!!
 
A wider view

A wider view

In any modern organisation 'Logistics' is a key factor with places on the board for senior logisticians and then you have the MOD. Any organisation which can have its senior financial officer having no formal accounting or financial qualifications is unlikely to employ an experienced and skilled logistician at the helm.

How many times has this forum detailed the weaknesses of Officers doing two year tours and leaving before the project is completed and the problems resolved?

Which commercial organisation would attempt such a change whilst undertaking:
a. Two Medium, high tempo Operations
b. Continuing the Balkans, MPA, and various UN missions
c. Meeting an imposed manpower capping programme
d. Meeting an imposed financial constraint and inventory reduction programme.
e. Changing an established ac maintenance programme developed over 50 years as well as an Army Battalion structure.
f. Drawing down all three Services and consolidating infrastructure and establishments
g. Being brain washed in to Contractor Logistical Support programmes being the be all and end all in Logistics support.
h. LEAN - enough said!
i. Now be afraid- very afraid - this is just a few examples I can think of through my beer clouded shabby brain cells!

Lets be honest if the MOD did manage this our management would deserve knighthoods and all the plaudits not only for successfully completing it but having the ba**s to start it!:PDT_Xtremez_06:

What we really need is somebody to say STOP for 12 months and then review where we are and then maybe we can see the woods for the trees!
 
I would be very worried about any aircraft spares going into Donnington. During the late eighties, there were a couple of major fires there which destroyed loads of kit - (sorted out the stocktaking discrepancies though). If I remember correctly, it would have been a good time for the Red Army to invade 'cos it was the spares for the army's tanks that got hit. All the eggs in one basket?; not a good idea - especially if the basket is Army/DSDA run.

I suppose someone got a knighthood/OBE for coming up with the "idea".

Thank chuff, I'm out already!!
 
Teh Wal said:
That is just so jaw-droppingly, mind-bogglingly stunning that I had to read it 3 times!!:PDT_Xtremez_17: What kind of numpty decided that that was a good idea... or even financially viable? It can't be, surely?
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Ironically getting spares from Dulmen is much easier and quicker than getting them from Bicester. Several items pertinent to our work have gone missing in the Donington/Stafford/Longtown triangle never to be seen again.
 
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CodeMonkey said:
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Or why a particular supplier at a certain FJ base won;t issue a box to an AC because it will not leave him with any shelf stock even though there are 2 d-state jets! ( Yes this is not a wind up i was told this by the SA when they called me today.)
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A mate of a bloke told a mate who had a sister who was a cleaner who knew a mate...

I would suggest thats bolox, however, if he is holding them it would be at the behest of Eng Ops/PPC for another requirement which your mate may not have a clue about....
 
PLC1966 said:
A mate of a bloke told a mate who had a sister who was a cleaner who knew a mate...

I would suggest thats bolox, however, if he is holding them it would be at the behest of Eng Ops/PPC for another requirement which your mate may not have a clue about....
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I'm afraid not, this is genuine.
 
PLC1966 said:
A mate of a bloke told a mate who had a sister who was a cleaner who knew a mate...

I would suggest thats bolox, however, if he is holding them it would be at the behest of Eng Ops/PPC for another requirement which your mate may not have a clue about....
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Have to agree with CodeMonkey. Rules of the forum prevent naming and shaming but one individual that comes readily to mind was a SNCO in ESG at a certain tranquil base in Rutland who wouldn't release kit to satisfy D-states for in-theatre jets during GW1 because it was - get this - 'TTTE property'.
 
Is this the same reason why rumour had it we had to go through Wyton IPT to demand some lockwire?

Unbelievable.
 
CodeMonkey said:
I'm afraid not, this is genuine.
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If genuine, I would suggest this would have been mentioned up through the Engineering Branch i.e. SENGO/OC Eng/OC Fwd briefs (allow for variation in post titles please !!!) and the Airman concerned would have pushed the kit out. If the Unit PPC/Eng Ops Controller (or whatever the name is) are half awake they would also have picked up on the kit being there (its one of their standard checks on allowing State demands) and issue the kit without the relevant urchin having any say in the matter. Especially the PPC part is why I would suggest there is far more to this than the 'SAC will not issue' story.


As for 4MaStacker comments regarding GW1 , trust me mate, the Stackers world has changed vastly since then.
 
PLC1966 said:
If genuine, I would suggest this would have been mentioned up through the Engineering Branch i.e. SENGO/OC Eng/OC Fwd briefs (allow for variation in post titles please !!!) and the Airman concerned would have pushed the kit out. If the Unit PPC/Eng Ops Controller (or whatever the name is) are half awake they would also have picked up on the kit being there (its one of their standard checks on allowing State demands) and issue the kit without the relevant urchin having any say in the matter. Especially the PPC part is why I would suggest there is far more to this than the 'SAC will not issue' story.


As for 4MaStacker comments regarding GW1 , trust me mate, the Stackers world has changed vastly since then.
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It wasn't a dig but it is a classic example of the old cliche "You can't have it because someone might want it".
 
CodeMonkey said:
It wasn't a dig but it is a classic example of the old cliche "You can't have it because someone might want it".
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Hey CodeMonkey, I accept it was not a dig mate, maybe what I was trying to say was that sometimes these things happen for a reason and the Techies and Stackers at Sqn level do not know the full story, certainly this happened a few times in the Jag & Wokka World when I was in PPC.

However, with any State Demand, the decision not to issue kit to meet the requirement would be made in liason with the Eng Ops Controller. The SENGO'S & OC Eng would be briefed fully aware of the situation at the morning brief.

However, if there was no real reason for the muppet to hold onto kit, then he plainly needs a punch in the ear from his SNCO. A single phone call should solve it really.
 
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