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Got some info from our trade sponsor the other day....

PVR's from the Stacker world was 123 for 2006 of which 89 were SAC's...... recruitment for us last year was 90 AC's...... 89 out....90 in....you do the math.....Doesn't look good does it ?!!!?...


Thoughts?
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Hawkeye said:
Got some info from our trade sponsor the other day....

PVR's from the Stacker world was 123 for 2006 of which 89 were SAC's...... recruitment for us last year was 90 AC's...... 89 out....90 in....you do the math.....Doesn't look good does it ?!!!?...


Thoughts?
:PDT_Xtremez_08:
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Looks good to me, one more Stacker SAC/LAC
 
With Sqns losing bods due to LEAN this is no shock really....allowing for the fact that size of Sqns bear no relation to quality of service required or number of guys to meet that requirement.
 
Someone somewhere needs kicking. What a waste of taxpayers money. Has anybody tried to resolve the problems that led to these people PVRing? Recruitment and training do not come cheaply, and PVRing is not something that is undertaken lightly. There appears to be a serious undercurrent here which needs addressing by the powers that be. Or, perhaps the solution is too difficult and career threatening to those who should be resolving the problem.
 
We all know what's wrong, but the hierarchy seem transfixed on the MBE that could be theirs...........
 
Pleased to see that you know the problem FBC, however, is communication still a one way street with these people? Their future depends on these people, or are they so self centred they are unable to see this?
 
Lean

Lean

In our new Lean world of multi-skilling and multi-tasking going on the the Techie world, IE we are doing one million and one jobs for a pittance more than the lower pay trades. So when ? (and it can't be far off) are our Lords and Masters going to combine all of the ancillary trades in to a the grand old GD Flt ?

Stacker's
Shinny's
Door Slamer's....
(you know who you are)

With minimal training required and enough people to cover OOA you know it makes sense...


:PDT_Xtremez_32:
 
Supply, Movers and MT will be merging into one uber trade soon, I can feel it in my bones!!

It'll be less hard for the suppliers, they already get the drivers licences, and can build aircraft pallets with the best of them, just the herc-smashing course to do ;)
 
Sospan said:
In our new Lean world of multi-skilling and multi-tasking going on the the Techie world, IE we are doing one million and one jobs for a pittance more than the lower pay trades. So when ? (and it can't be far off) are our Lords and Masters going to combine all of the ancillary trades in to a the grand old GD Flt ?

Stacker's
Shinny's
Door Slamer's....
(you know who you are)

With minimal training required and enough people to cover OOA you know it makes sense...


:PDT_Xtremez_32:
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Minimal training? Often build TFHE sites do you (one of the many engineering parts of the stacker world)? What about the Chemical Lab Assistant course down at West Moors which qualifies a very small number of stackers to operate the Portable Petroleum Test Kit that involves 2 weeks of pure chemistry theory before moving on the longer practical phase? What about all those stackers who have to go off to Stanbridge to learn how to run unit IT systems, basically becoming sever managers and engineers, a task that definitely isn't just putting blankets on a shelf?
 
F*ck Off

F*ck Off

Sospan said:
In our new Lean world of multi-skilling and multi-tasking going on the the Techie world, IE we are doing one million and one jobs for a pittance more than the lower pay trades. So when ? (and it can't be far off) are our Lords and Masters going to combine all of the ancillary trades in to a the grand old GD Flt ?

Stacker's
Shinny's
Door Slamer's....
(you know who you are)

With minimal training required and enough people to cover OOA you know it makes sense...


:PDT_Xtremez_32:
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Sospan, if you want to come on our forum and spout totally boll*cks then fine. But you sound the biggest teckie c*nt i've ever heard. Get a life and take off the blinkers. If you want to have a go, start something in the fight club, now F*ck off!

Rant over
 
DNR/DNN.......Discuss: I must admit I thought Sospan was going to come out with something bright but he does not do the techie communtiy much good by spouting this type of rubbish, especially as the RAF has, more than at anytime in the past, got to work together with shortages across the board. This sort of comment I would expect from some officers on Pprune about everybody who is not a FJ pilot.
 
Lean

Lean

LEAN is not the problem, LEAN has been used as a disguse for the manpower drawdown.

We knew we were getting cut, there had to be some sort of management of the cut, LEAN was used.

Dare I say it's not the tools fault it hasn't fixed the problem but the users!!!
 
Past Engineering said:
DNR/DNN.......Discuss: I must admit I thought Sospan was going to come out with something bright but he does not do the techie communtiy much good by spouting this type of rubbish, especially as the RAF has, more than at anytime in the past, got to work together with shortages across the board. This sort of comment I would expect from some officers on Pprune about everybody who is not a FJ pilot.
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My statement was not spouting rubbish ! We have managed to cross train and multi-skill In many areas, not just In recent times I may add, take the avionics trade for instance... This fact of saving money is not going to go away, I don't like it either but its here.

My apologies if I sounded a little careless, but from first hand experience I have worked along side all trades and have the utmost respect for them all. I firmly believe combining these trades will happen In the future. As for all that specialist chemical training The Helpful Stacker speaks off, is it so specialist that a MT driver or Mover could not do with the same course ?
 
This was what you stated last time that I was regarding as rubbish:

Quote: IE we are doing one million and one jobs for a pittance more than the lower pay trades. So when ? (and it can't be far off) are our Lords and Masters going to combine all of the ancillary trades in to a the grand old GD Flt ?

Stacker's
Shinny's
Door Slamer's....
(you know who you are)

With minimal training required and enough people to cover OOA you know it makes sense...

Now this I agree with, allthough some of the technicians that I have come across that have been cross trained have been pushed to far to quickly due to the shortages in manpower and this is proving to be a bad thing:

Quote: We have managed to cross train and multi-skill In many areas, not just In recent times I may add, take the avionics trade for instance... This fact of saving money is not going to go away, I don't like it either but its here.

My apologies if I sounded a little careless, but from first hand experience I have worked along side all trades and have the utmost respect for them all.
 
I had to get involved in this one. Can anyone see what is going on here? We are all having a go at each other, for what? Who is to blame for all of these problems. Our so called lords and fcuking masters, that who. The RAF is sliding faster down hill all the time now. Cross training, overstretch. Who cares anymore. The Airships seem not to anymore either. The stackers are having problems. So our we in the techie world, it's just not as serious yet as you stacker lot. However its not very far behind.
 
I think you will find we agree, I did not see to much disagreement or bickering just opportunities to correct the thread from going that way, also I think that all military forums in numerous threads have all stated who is responsible for the situation, but as has been said over and over the governmnet and MOD don't care a jot, their jobs and pensions are safe as is their life/lifestyles as they won't be seen any where near any conflict or at leasts not until they are guaranteed to come back un harmed.
 
Sadly this whole situation as been building up for a number of years, starting with the larger trades and spiraling downwardly out of control !

The only way I can see it stopping is:-

A, God forbid a engineering induced accident that a BOI have the balls to highlight shortfalls in manpower and training as the cause.

B, The trade sponsors gaining the courage to say enough is enough, however I don't think they could take their case high enough.

C, We reach the last cog in the wheel and somebody in Whitehall decides that it would be a good Idea to hire in some hugely expensive consultancy company, just to tell us the best way of doing business is one man one job.

Until any one these happens, It saddens me to think we will see many single trades disappear into the wilderness.:PDT_Xtremez_08:
 
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