Staneval Nco

[Boarderlyne]

Just had the WO A1 Ops Spt and WO JPA out here to enjoy a Keo or two! And they mentioned this post. Looks interesting to me. Any thoughts?

 

[True Blue Jack]

There are those who say it is just a re-branded SAMA Opsman; I think they are missing the point (although there is some similarity). Ultimately the STANEVAL NCO is responsible for your station's corner of the JPA database, making sure everyone has the correct JPA actors, that the establishment and hierarchies are correct, carrying out regular management checks and the professional standards of your fellow shineys. It is a very high profile post but is seriously hard work, especially if your WO PSF is less than supportive.

 

[Tashy_Man]

Just had the WO A1 Ops Spt and WO JPA out here to enjoy a Keo or two! And they mentioned this post. Looks interesting to me. Any thoughts?

Pretty crap post if you ask me.....no gossip, no rumour.........next thing you'll say it was official FFS !!

Crack on................DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[muttywhitedog]

I wish it was like an Opsman job. I ask my A1 section to run a query through JPA to get me my Sqn's NOK details so we can mail merge the results into address labels for the Welfare Packs.

They cant do it, but inundate me with loads of check sheets instead.

Bring back SAMA Opsman I say - they could run reports that actually served a purpose.

 

[True Blue Jack]

I wish it was like an Opsman job. I ask my A1 section to run a query through JPA to get me my Sqn's NOK details so we can mail merge the results into address labels for the Welfare Packs.

They cant do it, but inundate me with loads of check sheets instead.

Bring back SAMA Opsman I say - they could run reports that actually served a purpose.

A1 Section? Who came up with that bright idea? At your place, if they're going to use such terminology surely it should be J1?

I'm sure you'll be pleased to hear that at the last JPA workshop the Focal Point announced that the next release of JPA will include 14 additional management reports (it was planned to be 72 until EDS got their hands on the proposal). I'm not 100% sure what the package includes but I would bet money on a version of NOKWDA/NOKWDO being in there.

 

[Humble Scribe]

Just had the WO A1 Ops Spt and WO JPA out here to enjoy a Keo or two! And they mentioned this post. Looks interesting to me. Any thoughts?

Meeting up with the new Trade Sponsor I presume?!!

 

[Boarderlyne]

Meeting up with the new Trade Sponsor I presume?!!

Yes, he was there as well, but that's only cause he is still over here until he takes over from FLWO. DT_Xtremez_30:

World of difference to the SAMA Opsman, as this person would need to be outside the PFA footprint as you can imagine a JNCO/SNCO telling WO PSF that he was doing it all wrong. And still expecting to get decent assessments from the guys that he was 're-educating'. Looks to me that some people have actually been putting on their thinking caps and trying to come up with some sensible ways forward.

TBJ, as the guys came from the secret base in Bucks, it explains why they are A1, whereas, if the briefing had been done by our lot on-island, then of course, it would be J1

 

[muttywhitedog]

A1 Section? Who came up with that bright idea? At your place, if they're going to use such terminology surely it should be J1?

Tell me about it!

Me and my staff are now expected to do all the stuff for the RN people, but with no formal training (and they are very different, despite JPA). I ask the A1 for something as simple as a RN checksheet for a discharge, and get told that they haven't got one and its not a priority. FFS, the lad was coming in the next morning for his final day! Needless to say we managed it thanks to a bit of impromptu training from our Naval colleagues.

I've now come to the conclusion that if I want a straight answer then an e-mail to the Guru down at Innsworth gets me more gen than I get from my A1 section.

Honestly, you'd think that we'd only just got this JPA thingy the way they are Empire Building. Talk about Horse Bolting and Stable Doors Closing. This should have been done 6 months before JPA came in, not 2 years after!

 

[skevans]

There are those who say it is just a re-branded SAMA Opsman; I think they are missing the point (although there is some similarity). Ultimately the STANEVAL NCO is responsible for your station's corner of the JPA database, making sure everyone has the correct JPA actors, that the establishment and hierarchies are correct, carrying out regular management checks and the professional standards of your fellow shineys. It is a very high profile post but is seriously hard work, especially if your WO PSF is less than supportive.

Unfortunately at my station the one SAC adminer we do have has been lumped with this task on top of everything else. It was quite literally the straw that broke the camels back, she PVR'ed

 

[True Blue Jack]

TBJ, as the guys came from the secret base in Bucks, it explains why they are A1, whereas, if the briefing had been done by our lot on-island, then of course, it would be J1

I was responding to MWD who hails from a secret base in Rutland. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Boarderlyne]

TBJ. Not a problem. Teach me to try and answer sensibly while the exploding virus has got hold of me. Nice little virus going round the island that beats the F plan into a cocked hat. Think I lost a stone yesterday morning! DT_Xtremez_42:

Loading something like this onto a SAC is not on. Most people will ignore the SAC and a goodly number would ignore a JNCO as well. Plus you would have to make sure that they are outside the chain of command as this should not be a PSF task for someone to take on in addition to their normal duties. This is being looked at to help train the non-professional JPA users as well, and that would take a fair chunk out of your year. Plus it is being considered that the STANEVAL NCO trains the brand new shinies just out of the box in order to get them up to speed on all the processes not covered during PABC and to get them through TATs with a minimum of fuss and a baseline that would be applied across the board.

 

[muttywhitedog]

TBJ. Not a problem. Teach me to try and answer sensibly while the exploding virus has got hold of me. Nice little virus going round the island that beats the F plan into a cocked hat. Think I lost a stone yesterday morning! DT_Xtremez_42:

Loading something like this onto a SAC is not on. Most people will ignore the SAC and a goodly number would ignore a JNCO as well. Plus you would have to make sure that they are outside the chain of command as this should not be a PSF task for someone to take on in addition to their normal duties. This is being looked at to help train the non-professional JPA users as well, and that would take a fair chunk out of your year. Plus it is being considered that the STANEVAL NCO trains the brand new shinies just out of the box in order to get them up to speed on all the processes not covered during PABC and to get them through TATs with a minimum of fuss and a baseline that would be applied across the board.

Agree wholeheartedly with this. However I wonder how many units have actually done this. At my unit, the A1/Central HR section (1 x FS, 1 x Sgt, 1 x Cpl) sit in the room next to the rest of BSW Admin with no physical divide. Maybe a directive from above that the STANEVAL is to be located away from all other TG17 would make their lives easier, as they could then concentrate on the task at hand.

Regrettably, two years down the line, most clerks have now got to grips with JPA and have introduced their own way of getting the job done because of a lack of direction two years ago. It will be a hard job for the STANEVAL to persuade his/her colleagues to suddenly adopt a different methodology to complete the task to the exact same end result.

 

[True Blue Jack]

Agree wholeheartedly with this. However I wonder how many units have actually done this. At my unit, the A1/Central HR section (1 x FS, 1 x Sgt, 1 x Cpl) sit in the room next to the rest of BSW Admin with no physical divide. Maybe a directive from above that the STANEVAL should be located away from all other TG17 would make their lives easier, as they could then concentrate on the task at hand.

Regrettably, two years down the line, most clerks have now got to grips with JPA and have introduced their own way of getting the job done because of a lack of direction two years ago. It will be a hard job for the STANEVAL to persuade his/her colleagues to suddenly adopt a different methodology to complete the task to the exact same end result.

At our place they had the bright idea of setting up the STANEVAL NCO (Sgt) who -together with the WO - is supposed to responsible for Quality & Standards across TG17 on the unit. Part of the remit is to drop in unannounced onto the Wgs/Sqns and ensure best practice is adopted everywhere. Sounded great until they gave her a desk in the corner of PSF. She hasn't yet been able to escape.

 

[muttywhitedog]

At our place they had the bright idea of setting up the STANEVAL NCO (Sgt) who -together with the WO - is supposed to responsible for Quality & Standards across TG17 on the unit. Part of the remit is to drop in unannounced onto the Wgs/Sqns and ensure best practice is adopted everywhere. Sounded great until they gave her a desk in the corner of PSF. She hasn't yet been able to escape.

Ahh, but who defines best practice?

Typical example being the Mass Update of Public Holidays.

On a Sqn, you & I know that pretty much everyone does something together, so for Easter, we are all on leave, except for 1 or 2 who may be on guard. To that end, I could put on the PH en masse, then put the Sqn on leave en-masse. Total JPA transactions - 2. Total JPA time - 5 mins. I timed it!

A1 insist they update whole station, which includes the Sqn who are currently in the Stan. They then get a hissy on that people dont take the Grant on JPA. Well, with one Sqn permanently OOA that lot are hardly going to are they!

Despite my saying that it should be down to individual Sqns to put PHs on (for this reason - we know who is here - they dont), it falls on deaf ears.

Going back to the visit by the A1 Honchos, I trust they have been charged Food money for their time away!!!!!

 

[Boarderlyne]

Originally Posted by True Blue Jack
At our place they had the bright idea of setting up the STANEVAL NCO (Sgt) who -together with the WO - is supposed to responsible for Quality & Standards across TG17 on the unit. Part of the remit is to drop in unannounced onto the Wgs/Sqns and ensure best practice is adopted everywhere. Sounded great until they gave her a desk in the corner of PSF. She hasn't yet been able to escape.

Sounds like a familiar story.

Ahh, but who defines best practice?

Typical example being the Mass Update of Public Holidays.

On a Sqn, you & I know that pretty much everyone does something together, so for Easter, we are all on leave, except for 1 or 2 who may be on guard. To that end, I could put on the PH en masse, then put the Sqn on leave en-masse. Total JPA transactions - 2. Total JPA time - 5 mins. I timed it!

A1 insist they update whole station, which includes the Sqn who are currently in the Stan. They then get a hissy on that people dont take the Grant on JPA. Well, with one Sqn permanently OOA that lot are hardly going to are they!

Despite my saying that it should be down to individual Sqns to put PHs on (for this reason - we know who is here - they dont), it falls on deaf ears.

Going back to the visit by the A1 Honchos, I trust they have been charged Food money for their time away!!!!!

With regards to doing a whole station (shades of the Stn bike there! DT_Xtremez_31: ), then surely that should be one of those things that gets reported back up the chain to say that this doesn't work for XYZ Sqn who are detached, as it will take longer to take them off PHs than to add them along with the rest of the MOB. And as I read it, this is part of what the Staneval NCO does. Identify problems with what is coming down the chain and reporting what does and doesn't work. And correct the appropriate Noddy Guides so that every other clerk is doing the same processes in the same way.

No, they haven't been charged scran while here as the whole island is now Save As You Starve...er...I mean Pay As You Dine and has been for several months. Just hope the marker gets taken off their records when they get back! DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[woollymouse]

The whole Staneval NCO thing is a good idea in theory but how many will end up having other tasks allocated above and beyond the JPA thing. In the days of SAMA how many SAMA managers slots were linked with other duties. At a couple of the units I have been at the SAMA guy was also an NCO with PSF duties. There were even times when the SACs knew the login and password to help when the SAMA guy was out. In an ideal world standards and evaluation would be the Staneval NCO's job but we are not in an ideal world.