SUPA pay and getting it!!!

[Comms_Lad]

Why is it so hard to work money out and pay it to someone without then having to take it back of them when you have got it wrong before giving them the correct amount??????

Surely it should be a case of we gave you £868 we should of given you £1240 we owe you £372 and then give you what you are owed instead of taking back what they have paid you before giving you what they sould of given you in the first place.

Can someone help me see the logic in this please?

 

[True Blue Jack]

It's just the way JPA calculates basic pay, which is a massively complicated beast when you look at all the possible permutations of rank-for-pay, trade-for-pay, higher and lower ranges, pay incentives, pay bars, etc. And that's just for the airmen, it's worse for the officers.

The question is, is the net pay at the bottom of your pay statement correct?

 

[MrMasher]

It's just the way JPA calculates basic pay, which is a massively complicated beast when you look at all the possible permutations of rank-for-pay, trade-for-pay, higher and lower ranges, pay incentives, pay bars, etc. And that's just for the airmen, it's worse for the officers.

The question is, is the net pay at the bottom of your pay statement correct?

Nope, and it hasnt been since JPA started. Between Hr and JPAC I gave up........
Stuff going out that shouldnt be and stuff going in that shouldnt be.
I dont dare try again for fear of having my pay completely and utterly screwed.

 

[Realist78]

It's just the way JPA calculates basic pay, which is a massively complicated beast when you look at all the possible permutations of rank-for-pay, trade-for-pay, higher and lower ranges, pay incentives, pay bars, etc. And that's just for the airmen, it's worse for the officers.

The question is, is the net pay at the bottom of your pay statement correct?

Not being funny TBJ but a program written for a Sinclair Spectrum should be able to cope with some calculations, let alone the comparatively awesome power of a modern PC.:raf:

 

[Meathead]

Why is it so hard to work money out and pay it to someone without then having to take it back of them when you have got it wrong before giving them the correct amount??????

Surely it should be a case of we gave you £868 we should of given you £1240 we owe you £372 and then give you what you are owed instead of taking back what they have paid you before giving you what they sould of given you in the first place.

Can someone help me see the logic in this please?

LOL! Payback time CL!

Where shall i start - are you the only SAC in the section?? You must be if they gave you SUPA.

Logically, if you had behaved yourself a couple of years back at the big admin blackhole you could have been getting it for real!

Ho hum, good news about our trade? You can sign on to 22 now? ;-)

 

[busby1971]

The RAF pay really isn't that complicated it is based on only three things, your rank, your range and your increment. There are a lot of allowances that come along but the system not really being designed very well cocks up most things here.

Once processes exist that ensure a transparent view of whats happening for HR and user all our understandings should get better.

Working alongside other tradesmen as a Clk but not in a HR role I am often surprised by what utter ****e people who should know better tell them just hide their lack of understanding of the system, and this is people in the PFA, although I must admit it is the exception rather than the rule, just unfortunate that its my clk that the one.

 

[True Blue Jack]

The RAF pay really isn't that complicated it is based on only three things, your rank, your range and your increment. There are a lot of allowances that come along but the system not really being designed very well cocks up most things here.

Once processes exist that ensure a transparent view of whats happening for HR and user all our understandings should get better.

Working alongside other tradesmen as a Clk but not in a HR role I am often surprised by what utter ****e people who should know better tell them just hide their lack of understanding of the system, and this is people in the PFA, although I must admit it is the exception rather than the rule, just unfortunate that its my clk that the one.

Which, when you total it up across the ranks, ranges and increments means that airmen are on any one of 78 pay levels. The officers have at least 5 different scales and I haven't given any thought to reservists. The system works well enough for Sainsbury's. I don't know Sainsbury's pay structure but I imagine that all checkout/floor staff are on the same rate of pay with additional pay scales for drivers, supervisors, admin staff and managers. Possibly as few as 5 pay levels to deal with until you get into the realm of area managers.

As for HR staff lacking an understanding of the system that is not as uncommon as you may think. 18 months ago my WO PSF (along with most others) was given the opportunity to send some clerks to JPAC Glasgow for a looksee. He said no because the T&S would have come from our Stn's budget. Even following on from the recent JPA refresher courses there are very few clerks at my place who know what the JPAC ECs look like and that impacts on their ability to deal with the EC staff effectively.

 

[Comms_Lad]

LOL! Payback time CL!

Where shall i start - are you the only SAC in the section?? You must be if they gave you SUPA.

Logically, if you had behaved yourself a couple of years back at the big admin blackhole you could have been getting it for real!

Ho hum, good news about our trade? You can sign on to 22 now? ;-)

Already signed onto 12 fella and isnt it funny whenever something goes wrong u are around to wind me up its like being back in gloucester lol. Everything goin all right in the press gang sorry mean afco

 

[INT ZBZ]

Been A/Sgt since 26 Dec 06, keeping it until I finish work 21 Apr 08!

The knack with SuPa (and other allowances) is getting a good rapport going with the guys and firls in HR, I have had very few problems with my SuPa because the Cpl up in HR always sorts out any hiccups without having to bounce around between unit HR and JPAC.............be nice to them and they will always help.

78 working days to go

 

[Meathead]

Already signed onto 12 fella and isnt it funny whenever something goes wrong u are around to wind me up its like being back in gloucester lol. Everything goin all right in the press gang sorry mean afco

As much as i enjoy doing drill practice just for you, I do have something productive to add to this thread (shock horror!!)

I had a similar problem a couple of years ago, got acting rank, pay started and pay stopped on the correct dates, someone forgot to put it on the right pay band, spent months trying to get what i was owed.

My latest JPA FUBAR is food charges following a course I finished Nov 06. Food charges finally stopped in Jun 07, still trying to get back what ive shelled out. Sick to death of HR, my Clk is on the PVR wagon and everytime i tried to push it up to someone who might give a feck, it works its way back to his desk. FFS!

The good news is that i only have 1839 shirts to iron till i get my pension.DT_Xtremez_17:

 

[Comms_Lad]

Been A/Sgt since 26 Dec 06, keeping it until I finish work 21 Apr 08!

The knack with SuPa (and other allowances) is getting a good rapport going with the guys and firls in HR, I have had very few problems with my SuPa because the Cpl up in HR always sorts out any hiccups without having to bounce around between unit HR and JPAC.............be nice to them and they will always help.

78 working days to go

I have been nice to them, they are the ones that have left me in the sh1t, "It will be sorted by the end of the month" or "Give me two weeks and it will be sorted" can only be heard so many times before you lose faith in HR and have more faith in a complaint to the JPAC.

 

[CIS Tech]

The system works well enough for Sainsbury's. I don't know Sainsbury's pay structure but I imagine that all checkout/floor staff are on the same rate of pay with additional pay scales for drivers, supervisors, admin staff and managers. Possibly as few as 5 pay levels to deal with until you get into the realm of area managers.

Not quite old bean. The wife's a senior manager at Sainsbury's and at supervisor level plus, each person gets an individual pay deal based on their own performance. This means an enormous range of payscales. Her last position commanded pay which ranged from the lower end of around £16,000 to the £26,000 she was earning.

 

[True Blue Jack]

Not quite old bean. The wife's a senior manager at Sainsbury's and at supervisor level plus, each person gets an individual pay deal based on their own performance. This means an enormous range of payscales. Her last position commanded pay which ranged from the lower end of around £16,000 to the £26,000 she was earning.

Well grease me up and call me Roger. Sainsbury's obviously wasn't such a good example. So, if Sainsbury's system uses the same core program as JPA why does JPA fail where they succeed?

Answers on a postcard . . . .

 

[CIS Tech]

They may use the Oracle suite but it's not JPA (i.e. a complete mess). They also have admin staff in each store to operate the system; Billy checkout operator will get nowhere near the thing.

 

[busbyboy]

They may use the Oracle suite but it's not JPA (i.e. a complete mess). They also have admin staff in each store to operate the system; Billy checkout operator will get nowhere near the thing.

A very good source told me not long ago that the problem with the JPA Oracle version is that the software bought by the MOD was version 1, compared to the industry standard of version 9, which you would expect had ironed out most of the gremlins. Certainly, a Flt Lt Eng at Leuchars who had worked for BAe before joining the RAF could not believe that it is so old and bad.

Deja vu methinks. You pays your money (or not as is the case here), and get wot you pays for.

That does not mean to say that I am happy about it either. I left in Apr 07 and the [nice people] still owe me money - what more can I say.

Good luck and I sincerely hope it gets better.