The games gone soft!

[box-of-frogs]

WTF has happened to the modern game?? Football i'm led to believe is a contact sport and yet all too often we see these over paid prima donna's diving around when then there is the slightest contact. To make matters worse, the referee's are falling for it. Over the last few days in both the FA and 'League' Cups, we have seen 3 ridiculous sending offs. Trotter (Ipswich), Lafferty (Burnley) and Mikel (Chelsea). All 3 at worst were yellow cards. Yet all the time we are hearing about trigger happy ref's and players who appeal to ref's to get their opponent sent off.

Bring back the hard tackling 'English' game that i grew up with not this namby pamby continental sh1t.


Glad thats off my chest, and breathe...................

 

[fergo]

WTF has happened to the modern game?? Football i'm led to believe is a contact sport and yet all too often we see these over paid prima donna's diving around when then there is the slightest contact. To make matters worse, the referee's are falling for it. Over the last few days in both the FA and 'League' Cups, we have seen 3 ridiculous sending offs. Trotter (Ipswich), Lafferty (Burnley) and Mikel (Chelsea). All 3 at worst were yellow cards. Yet all the time we are hearing about trigger happy ref's and players who appeal to ref's to get their opponent sent off.

Bring back the hard tackling 'English' game that i grew up with not this namby pamby continental sh1t.


Glad thats off my chest, and breathe...................

You do make a good point. however, I think Mikel's was a red.

The art of tackling seems to be dissappearing from our game. i love seeing player sputting in hard but fair tackles. I play sweeper and was always taught and still to this day maintain the perfect tackle in when you get the ball but take a good part of your opponetn with you.

Some Refs seems to think slide tackling isnt allowed.

many players do go down to easy which makes it hard for refs.

Nobody want to see two footed lunges but i for one would like to see the old more rugged version of the game

 

[box-of-frogs]

Totally agree with the two footed tackle rule! Its dangerous and needs to be stopped. I think the ref in the Chelsea game lost control - Neville and carsley were lucky to stay on. The Burnley match was good until the ref ruined it for everyone by sending off the young lad for a tackle where he won the ball!

 

[fergo]

Totally agree with the two footed tackle rule! Its dangerous and needs to be stopped. I think the ref in the Chelsea game lost control - Neville and carsley were lucky to stay on. The Burnley match was good until the ref ruined it for everyone by sending off the young lad for a tackle where he won the ball!

I didn’t see the game last night but I saw the Burnley one.
They seem to be really going after the two footed tackle and maybe that is where the ambiguity is for the refs as many of them don’t seem to be football minded at all or understand that there is a difference between a good sliding tackle and a bad one.
i find referees to be pretty naive and not really understand some of what happens.
For example one of my team mates put in a reasonably bad tackle on his opposite number, he was booked, deservedly. The next time he had the ball his opposing player ran 50 yards and put in a rather crude tackle. We all know it is premeditated, and deserved at least a yellow, yet the ref couldn’t see this.

There was an incident in SPL this weekend where a player has made two fouls in a game, not bad tackles, just putting a foot in to get the ball and he was sent off.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/f/falkirk/7173041.stm

 

[Billy Whizz]

Yep - 2 years running now that the Tractor Boys have gone out of the FA Cup against Premiership clubs, when the game's swung on a dubious refereeing decision, both times resulting in one of our players getting sent off. At least last year the Red card was overturned on appeal. No such luck for Liam Trotter this year unfortunately.

Oh well - we'd have lost a reply anyhow and at least we can concentrate on the League now! (That over used football phrase which should read - fcuk, wish we were off to Wembley!)

 

[squipper]

What would happen if "Chopper" Harris from Chelsea, Norman Hunter or Billy Bremner from Leeds were still around now? They would never get to play as they would be banned for life for the challenges they used to put in!!!

It is blatant cheating by players who dive straight to ground and roll around looking to fool the referee. People like Ronaldo at Man U who deliberately throw themselves to ground should be subject of video analysis after the match by an independant official and if found cheating, banned!!!!

Another subject but on the same lines is players who fein injury to stop play. In rugby we play on and allow the physio onto the pitch, therefore the players don't go down without good reason as they are only letting their own side down......a lesson football could learn???

 

[Man in Black]

A referee can only act, rightly or wrongly, on what he saw. As a referee, I would also have given Mikel a straight red card as his studs were up. Trotter would have got a yellow (in my opinion) for a reckless challenge. I didn't see Lafferty's challenge so i can't comment.

It also doesn't matter how many bad tackles a player makes. When cautioning players I am constantly told "That's my first one all game'. It doesn't matter. If the tackle warrants a card, the player should get a card. If the 2nd challenge warrants a card than that's 2 yellows, one red and off.

Most referees have played football to some standard and therefore do understand. More importantly, we read the Laws of the Game each season and know what laws have changed and what is expected.

 

[propersplitbrainme]

Although there were some pretty hard cases around in days of yore, such as Norman 'Bites Yer legs' Hunter, I don't recall them jumping in with both feet and studs showing. The game seems to have picked up this trait in the past few years, well I think so anyway. If these 'tackles' go wrong they are career enders and should be punished accordingly.
The problem is the confusion caused by the players at the other end of the spectrum who collapse as if shot by a sniper if another player so much as breathes on them. As someone who goes to games regularly there is nothing that infuriates a crowd more than when a player goes to ground right in front of you and you can see for yourself that there was no contact from the opponent.
We've lost the balance IMHO.

 

[fergo]

What would happen if "Chopper" Harris from Chelsea, Norman Hunter or Billy Bremner from Leeds were still around now? They would never get to play as they would be banned for life for the challenges they used to put in!!!

It is blatant cheating by players who dive straight to ground and roll around looking to fool the referee. People like Ronaldo at Man U who deliberately throw themselves to ground should be subject of video analysis after the match by an independant official and if found cheating, banned!!!!

Another subject but on the same lines is players who fein injury to stop play. In rugby we play on and allow the physio onto the pitch, therefore the players don't go down without good reason as they are only letting their own side down......a lesson football could learn???

there was a piece on SKy Sports news this morning about this. I am looking for it.

I get frustrated when a plyer has been fouled, then makes his fall more dramatic and misses out on his FK or PK.

Dont think letting the physio on during the match would work. The play can switch suddenly and i see it causing more trouble.

 

[Soupdragon]

Yep - 2 years running now that the Tractor Boys have gone out of the FA Cup against Premiership clubs, when the game's swung on a dubious refereeing decision, both times resulting in one of our players getting sent off. At least last year the Red card was overturned on appeal. No such luck for Liam Trotter this year unfortunately.

so the red card was overturned on appeal... shame they couldn't order the match to be replayed as obviously the sending off had a bearing on the result.. (unless of course you were already being well and truly stuffed by the time he got his marching orders..)

The one thing that bugs me at the moment is the constant appealing for a penalty.. either by players 'falling' over at the slightest challenge or even worse... the fictitious handball (the ball cracked into a player at point blank range and then appealing 'cos it hit an arm)

And.............. whatever happened to that new rule of players being booked for crowding the referee and demanding a free kick/booking/sending off etc?

 

[fergo]

A referee can only act, rightly or wrongly, on what he saw. As a referee, I would also have given Mikel a straight red card as his studs were up. Trotter would have got a yellow (in my opinion) for a reckless challenge. I didn't see Lafferty's challenge so i can't comment.

It also doesn't matter how many bad tackles a player makes. When cautioning players I am constantly told "That's my first one all game'. It doesn't matter. If the tackle warrants a card, the player should get a card. If the 2nd challenge warrants a card than that's 2 yellows, one red and off.

Most referees have played football to some standard and therefore do understand. More importantly, we read the Laws of the Game each season and know what laws have changed and what is expected.

I understand what you are saying if a crad is warranted in 30 seconds it should be given. However, in the case i mentioned the guy got two bookings and both were harsh. They were just run of the mill fouls, silly we tackles when he had by accident caught his opposing player slightly. they werent hard or unfair challenges.

I am constantly frustrated as a player and spectator that fouls are given in the centre circle for certain infringements, pushing, shoving, clkimbing etc But you very rearely see penalties given for them.
It has to be the same rules in every area on the park.
The main thing i want is consistency.

 

[fergo]

Although there were some pretty hard cases around in days of yore, such as Norman 'Bites Yer legs' Hunter, I don't recall them jumping in with both feet and studs showing. The game seems to have picked up this trait in the past few years, well I think so anyway. If these 'tackles' go wrong they are career enders and should be punished accordingly.
The problem is the confusion caused by the players at the other end of the spectrum who collapse as if shot by a sniper if another player so much as breathes on them. As someone who goes to games regularly there is nothing that infuriates a crowd more than when a player goes to ground right in front of you and you can see for yourself that there was no contact from the opponent.
We've lost the balance IMHO.

I totally agree with you!!!!! Off Topic And your a Liverpool fan, bloody hell!
I think the art of tackling is being lost though, hence why we are seeing some bad tackling.

 

[propersplitbrainme]

I totally agree with you!!!!! Off Topic And your a Liverpool fan, bloody hell!

Well we can get along if we try DT_Xtremez_30:

Watched your CC semi last night, I agree the Mikel's tackle was a red under the current regime. Couldn't help but feel sorry for Lescott, damned unlucky OG and then damned unlucky not to equalise in the dying seconds. It ain't over yet.

 

[fergo]

Well we can get along if we try DT_Xtremez_30:

Watched your CC semi last night, I agree the Mikel's tackle was a red under the current regime. Couldn't help but feel sorry for Lescott, damned unlucky OG and then damned unlucky not to equalise in the dying seconds. It ain't over yet.

Off Topic Im a Rangers fan.
We hate everyone equally.

 

[propersplitbrainme]

Off Topic Im a Rangers fan.
We hate everyone equally.

Doh, should have spotted that. :S


Well anyway, I can still get along with Everton fan's DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[Soupdragon]

I know a few of them as well... they are more to be pitied than scolded!