The 'new' JATCC graduate....

[Retard Retard]

...........still bored.

............Please, is there a 'live controller' out there who would like to vent his/her/shim spleen on the quality of the CATCS product?

And for the FOMs, .........is FOTF/TTFs product any good these days?

Personally, I do think the ACs march very smartly around Shawbury, so much so that even the SWO has been seen rubbing himself with excitement at their nifty footwork

Note- I won't ask about the FOTS product because I can see from the Ops Bods Forum, it's crap!

 

[Hmmmm]

Going back to the second part of my post (#19), as a 'live' controller:

As an air traffiker, answering an air traffic question, I think that on the whole we get a reasonable 'product' from CATCS. Of course we would like a better grounded and more confident individual but, once we recognise that units have a significant general training responsibility at unit, then I think we are doing fine.

 

[HilstonPols]

You can tell who makes a good centre forward without playing the game!

Thousands do it every Saturday afternoon.

No sour grapes, just opinion.

Knowing that Alan Shearer is a good center forward is entirely diffierent to being able to spot the next Alan Shearer!

 

[The Controller]

HilstonPols...

Knowing that Alan Shearer is a good center forward is entirely diffierent to being able to spot the next Alan Shearer!
Reply With Quote

Who's Alan Shearer??

I recall a (not so young) WO writing you up.....if memory serves me well he said "As a Controller, this man would make a marvellous Chef"!!!! See...we can ALL spot talent (or the lack of it)!

 

[HilstonPols]

Sorry Old Man, Alan Shearer is a younger (but not as good) version of Jimmy Greaves.

The young WO in question was spot on!

Do you want fries with that?

 

[The Controller]

J Y Kelly...

The last SNCO Controller that came off the school to us had been in quite a while and should know how the system works. A year on, despite a great deal of fatherly advice from some of the senior people he still manages to rub everyone up the wrong way but what the hell, every tower needs a $hit magnet.

Marvellous....any chance of a little hint at where you're from....could cause hours of amusement trying to work out who the little tinker is!

Hilston Pols...

a younger (but not as good) version of Jimmy Greaves

Who's Jimmy Greaves?

Retard Retard(ed)....

even the SWO has been seen rubbing himself with excitement

...surely he'd have a FOM to do that????

 

[HilstonPols]

Hilston Pols...

Who's Jimmy Greaves?

An older (but better) version of Alan Shearer!! keep up

 

[J Y Kelly]

J Y Kelly...

Marvellous....any chance of a little hint at where you're from....could cause hours of amusement trying to work out who the little tinker is!

I couldn't possibly divulge that information only to say that his posting off JATCC was about 400 yards west.

 

[The Controller]

I couldn't possibly divulge that information only to say that his posting of JATCC was about 400 yards west.

Sh*t magnet you say.....? Wait a minute...it can only be....*****censored!!

 

[insideinfoman]

HP - Not taking it personally just seems that people are saying that, we as FOM's can't spot if the assistant we have working with us has the talent for controlling or not. A point that myself and I'm sure alot of FOMs will disagree with you.

So what makes somebody stand out as a controller?

What are you looking for to make a good controller, or someone who will stand a chance of passing JATCC?

Can you tell me if the assistant you're working with in a tower will make a good Ops assist or a FOM?

In fact there go how can you tell who will make a good Ops Assist or FOM? Open to the floor!!!!

How long does it take you CATCS instructors to know if a student has it or not?

Would you be able to assess 1 of our AC's on whether they would make it as an assistant by the time they were going into sims?

Lots of things for you controllers out there to think about, answers please on the back of a fag packet, if you can find one flying around the outside or on a flight strip, thanks

 

[Retard Retard]

How long does it take you CATCS instructors to know if a student has it or not?

There are a number of theorys on this one, so here are my favourites.

The student-

1. forgets to 'Warn In' in the Mess or arrives in the Bar in Chav gear.

2. gets an UNSAT in Basic Aeros on Ex 1

3. can't get past Ex 1 in the BRST suite.

4. tries chatting up the Boss at the 'Meet n Greet'.

5. forgets headset the first day in Radar.

6. says 'Do I really have to learn all this phraseology'

7. thinks their right hand is their left hand.

8. thinks 2 o'clock is in the 10 o' clock position.


.......and so it goes on.

Who needs an Assessed Phase with this daming evidence? Discuss!

 

[insideinfoman]

Oh Very Good RR

Good to see that standards haven't climbed since I went through!!!!

I also think you forgot the: arguing with the instructor in how its done in the real world!!

 

[Hmmmm]

We used to hold a sweepstake at the Monday afternoon Meet & Greet.

 

[HilstonPols]

It's not about them and us or you and us. What I said was, that currently the assessment method we use is flawed. I can say this with confidence because we see people arriving on JATCC that clearly lack the required skills. All I was suggesting was that the assessment would be better made by specialists. If you feel that FOMs are being hard done by because of my suggestion, fine have your nose of out joint. I had no desire to slag anyone off. As I said in my post I don't think I am best suited to assess someone for a non-controling position. It is not about individuals, personalities or post titles. It is about trying to find a better way to asses people for what will be , in most cases, their most demanding proffessional course.

On a lighter note: chop criteria

1. Weed out the Gooners!

2. Those wearing "faded" or coloured jeans on the meet and greet.

3. Any bloke drinking lemonade at the meet and greet.

4. UNSAT on RPAR Ex1!

5. Girlies that "love" aircrew!

sweepstake? no we would never!

 

[insideinfoman]

Not disagreeing with you at all the system has been, as you said, for years needs looking at, how it's done is another matter.

My nose isn't out of joint (never has) but what I'm saying and others are, is that FOM's can see whether an assistant has a talent for controlling duties or not, maybe not a good as a controller I admit but we can have a part in it.

OK, back to my last but 1 post: What makes a good controller? Multi-tasking? Being able to look at the big picture?

 

[The Controller]

InsideInfoMan...

What makes a good controller? Multi-tasking? Being able to look at the big picture?

Natural ability, flair, aptitude, positive attitude...and GREAT instruction!!

I'll throw the question back at you then....What makes a good FOM? Multi-dunking? Being able to look at the big Plasma picture.....??

 

[HilstonPols]

My nose isn't out of joint (never has) but what I'm saying and others are, is that FOM's can see whether an assistant has a talent for controlling duties or not, maybe not a good as a controller I admit but we can have a part in it.

QUOTE]

I have quoted you here m8 cos that is exactly what I am trying to say. The bit in bold is what I am talking about. Currently we have a system where people who are perhaps not in the best position to assess are in fact our only source of assesment (Cranwel excluded, don't get me started on that )
FOMs have as I said perviously have alot to offer the trade, who else is going to nurture the young SACs in their towers or Ops rooms. However, when we are talking about selection for a difficult professional course then the specialists should step in. CATCS collectively has the best, imho, view of what is required to be successful on JATCC so lets use them.

p.s. glad your nose is not out of joint, we after all are part of the same team !

 

[SirSaltyHelmet]

Said it before will say it again, the Navy grading system pre ATAC is the best way, week at Yeovilton and a yes or no at the end!! They still lose people but its a good indicator.

 

[The Controller]

Said it before will say it again, the Navy grading system pre ATAC is the best way, week at Yeovilton and a yes or no at the end!! They still lose people but its a good indicator.

...will they take the RAF chaps then??

 

[insideinfoman]

I'll throw the question back at you then....What makes a good FOM? Multi-dunking? Being able to look at the big Plasma picture.....??

Mmmmm, ok, in a tower.....making sure that the controllers are doing their jobs and not meddling in the work of the FOA's. Hows that for a starter for 10?