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The jungle drums have been beating again and this one is fresh from the corridors of power. Allegedly one of the reasons the trade review is delayed is because to increase the promotion to Sgt and all other ranks they wer may be taking on the posts that the army are struggling to fill, so basically it could be a total army unit and a token RAF clerk.

Personally I think its a good idea, the downsides crap army accom and the army mentality thrust upon you.

Any comments?
 
It ain't the reason from what I've heard. The delay maybe good for the trade though... watch this space.
 
Yeah come Viinny. Spill the beans...........

What insight have you had?
 
I wait with baited breath but don't expect much before I return to work after my baby leave in March next year. It is TG17 after all and we do man handbrake house.
 
woollymouse said:
I wait with baited breath but don't expect much before I return to work after my baby leave in March next year. It is TG17 after all and we do man handbrake house.
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Handbrake House? I always thought it was Heartbreak House as it breaks your heart to see what the politicos have done to the trade and the Service in general.
 
Shiney Pencil said:
The jungle drums have been beating again and this one is fresh from the corridors of power. Allegedly one of the reasons the trade review is delayed is because to increase the promotion to Sgt and all other ranks they wer may be taking on the posts that the army are struggling to fill, so basically it could be a total army unit and a token RAF clerk.

Personally I think its a good idea, the downsides crap army accom and the army mentality thrust upon you.

Any comments?
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If you think it's a good idea [to work with the army as the token blue job] then I guess you've not been a token blue job before. If you want both promotion and to work within an army environment, and no longer feel the need to be a treated as a valued member of society and respected for your experience and points of view then you could always move over on a more permanent basis.

Most others probably think other wise.:PDT_Xtremez_25:
 
Shiney Pencil said:
The jungle drums have been beating again and this one is fresh from the corridors of power. Allegedly one of the reasons the trade review is delayed is because to increase the promotion to Sgt and all other ranks they wer may be taking on the posts that the army are struggling to fill, so basically it could be a total army unit and a token RAF clerk.

Personally I think its a good idea, the downsides crap army accom and the army mentality thrust upon you.

Any comments?
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I know that my Chf Clk is going to Basra later this year to fill an Army slot (should be fun for him!)
 
busby1971 said:
If you think it's a good idea [to work with the army as the token blue job] then I guess you've not been a token blue job before. If you want both promotion and to work within an army environment, and no longer feel the need to be a treated as a valued member of society and respected for your experience and points of view then you could always move over on a more permanent basis.

Most others probably think other wise.:PDT_Xtremez_25:
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Busby

You are correct that I have not been a token blue job and I have no desire to go green full time. I think this idea would be a good to free more promotion up however others, like yourself, will disagree.
 
Shiney Pencil said:
Busby

You are correct that I have not been a token blue job and I have no desire to go green full time. I think this idea would be a good to free more promotion up however others, like yourself, will disagree.
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Volunteer to work with our own RAF Regt to get a small taste of what the life would be like, this would not be as bad as working with (for) the army but will result in equally poor chance of future advancement due to the differences in F6000 compilation.

We might be taking up a few of their OOA posts, but we are starting to get stretched too in this area, the taking up of posts based on trade rather than service is a move towards a Defence Support Corp that I'm sure nobody would like to see.
 
busby1971 said:
Volunteer to work with our own RAF Regt to get a small taste of what the life would be like, this would not be as bad as working with (for) the army but will result in equally poor chance of future advancement due to the differences in F6000 compilation.

We might be taking up a few of their OOA posts, but we are starting to get stretched too in this area, the taking up of posts based on trade rather than service is a move towards a Defence Support Corp that I'm sure nobody would like to see.
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I have had a 4 yr tour with the RAF Regt and a 4 month OOA with the Army. There is no comparison! The Rocks may call you a "guin", but deep down they appreciate you. The Army just cannot comprehend that we can get a job done with minimal fuss, a smile on our face, and no barking and shouting orders. In fact, towards the end of my OOA, I spent most of my days sat with junior soldiers surfing the RAF Careers website, because they'd had enough of being treated shabbily and wanted to transfer.
 
muttywhitedog said:
I have had a 4 yr tour with the RAF Regt and a 4 month OOA with the Army. There is no comparison! The Rocks may call you a "guin", but deep down they appreciate you. The Army just cannot comprehend that we can get a job done with minimal fuss, a smile on our face, and no barking and shouting orders. In fact, towards the end of my OOA, I spent most of my days sat with junior soldiers surfing the RAF Careers website, because they'd had enough of being treated shabbily and wanted to transfer.
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Thank you for backing up my view of Token blue job work, as I said RAF Regt only a small taste of what it's like wearing green all the time, at least you still get some respect and remain valued unlike working alongside (under army doctorine) the Army where you will always be untrusted and disrespected especially by their officer class no matter what your rank or experience, worth it for the promotion - reach for the PT/PVR applications more like.
 
busby1971 said:
Thank you for backing up my view of Token blue job work, as I said RAF Regt only a small taste of what it's like wearing green all the time, at least you still get some respect and remain valued unlike working alongside (under army doctorine) the Army where you will always be untrusted and disrespected especially by their officer class no matter what your rank or experience, worth it for the promotion - reach for the PT/PVR applications more like.
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Busby, my experience of working with the Army during a recent OOA was very different. Every one of them from Private to Brigadier treated the RAF and RN personnel with respect bordering on trepidation, almost fear.

If one of them had a problem they would seek out one of us crabs rather than talk to one of their own Special Pen Service types. I also spent a lot of time with junior soldiers (and more than a few NCOs) browsing the RAF careers website.
 
So 5 pages of paper wasted. Didn't really tell us alot did it. Okay you will lose 133 slots but we are creating 1 new one.

Summarised are my key points:

a. The requirement to disestablish 133 posts in accordance with MTWS 05 has been confirmed.

b. Posts owners have been contacted and made aware of disestablishments. There is an opportunity to present alternative post savings.

c. The EVF moratorium remains in place until savings measures are realised.

d. Restructuring work to consider Admin (Sec) posts will commence early next year.

e. The TG17 recruiting target has been raised from 50 to 80 recruits for this FY and to 120 for FY 08/09.

f. Full review of training is underway and improvements have been implemented.

g. Increased opportunities for commissioning for all ranks.

Let the fallout begin!
 
It's OK - my Sqn has been royally screwed over. We are losing 2 stats posts, which is fair enough but we are also losing the SAC from my office. Why? Because she used to be in a Stats job which was civilianised 2 or 3 years ago when she came into the Sqn Admin Office. Some lazy piece of sh!t never raised the EVF so on paper it looks as though she is still in that Stats job.

When we pointed this out to our darling WO his answer was that she must have been mis-employed. Yeah, cheers boss. How many Sqn Admin Offices don't have a SAC? Ours from 1 Apr 08.
 
TBJ are you on BBMF? If so, then that explains why you are losing the SAC as it is easier for them to lose an adminer than to lose a techie when you deal with outdated aircraft specs. Oh bugger, I have just described the current situation with what we've got! :PDT_Xtremez_42:
 
Anyone know why PAs are at the top of the list of TG17 post to go and yet AFCOs are untouchable? Surely everyone in the AFCO is trained the same so there is no particular advantage that a shiney brings to the table. Also, it may be the way I am reading it, but if the PA post goes (for anyone below 2 star) and EFV is frozen, you can't replace the blue-suit PA with a civvy and therefore Stn Cdrs effectively lose their PA. Or have I read it wrong?
 
airforceone said:
Anyone know why PAs are at the top of the list of TG17 post to go and yet AFCOs are untouchable? Surely everyone in the AFCO is trained the same so there is no particular advantage that a shiney brings to the table. Also, it may be the way I am reading it, but if the PA post goes (for anyone below 2 star) and EFV is frozen, you can't replace the blue-suit PA with a civvy and therefore Stn Cdrs effectively lose their PA. Or have I read it wrong?
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As I understand it the funding for Sgt PAs for Stn Cdrs is discontinued from 1 Apr 08. From then only MOB Stn Cdrs plus a handful of others will be entitled to Cpl PAs, the rest are civvies or nothing. However since a number of Stn Cdr's PA posts are gapped pending this trade review and others are filled by cpls acting up (wotcha Kernow!) it's mostly a case of making the paperwork match reality.

Stns have been directed to submit EVFs for disestablishment and/or downgrading of marked posts 4 weeks from now. People in those posts may be moved more or less any time from now, but in reality are probably safe until late Feb/early Mar. Recruiting for civil servants, FTRS or contractors may take place but the funding for the posts is not available until 1 Apr.

As for AFCOs I'm sure they were looked at closely and assume it was decided that an admin specialist is required. After all, there is a lot of paperwork and JPA action involved in processing an applicant. No doubt the various techies in AFCOs scream for help when they can't find their crayon. :PDT_Xtremez_15:
 
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What Stats Post are going?

What Stats Post are going?

TBJ,
Are the Stats Posts getting binned across the board, I'm in a stats post on a Marham Sqn and have been told nothing thus far.:PDT_Xtremez_42:
 
I'm on detachment at the moment in the back of beyond, with no JPA/Intranet etc. Where is this document to be found? If it is on some Chf Clks bulletin I should be able to make a few phone calls and get a copy, if not looks like I will have to carry on, oblivious as to whether there is a job waiting for me upon my return to the UK
 
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